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Re: Manhattan UFOs

From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj.nul>
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 10:38:27 -0700 (PDT)
Archived: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 14:14:31 -0400
Subject: Re: Manhattan UFOs


>From: Jason Gammon <boyinthemachine.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:29:12 -0400 (EDT)
>Subject: Re: Manhattan UFOs

>>From: Joe Merrell <joe.nul>
>>To: <post.nul>
>>Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 09:05:38 -0700
>>Subject: Manhattan UFOs

>>These objects were spotted over Manhattan yesterday (10/13/10):

>>http://tinyurl.com/32bmybn

>>http://www.huliq.com/10164/floating-orb-manhattan-sets-ufo-debate

>>Many reports refer to a single object (mainstream press
>>reports), though multiple objects seem to have been present - as
>>can be seen clearly in the linked videos.

>UFO? NYC kids say no, mysterious floating orbs were escaped
>balloons from teacher's engagement party

>http://tinyurl.com/3yqtjqy

Surely there are a few ufologists in the NYC area, perhaps MUFON
investigators? I wonder how long one must wait to hear what they
find while investigating the various balloon hypotheses. Surely
they've noticed apparent discrepancies such as:

1. The sightings in Manhattan were reported to be going on as
early as 9:30 in the morning. The inadvertent balloon release at
the grade school was said to have occurred around 1 pm. So
unless the morning sightings were all hallucinations, the 1 pm
balloon release hypothesis can't exlain it.

2. One witness saw some 50 dots moving around in the sky, in the
morning. Another reported "hundreds" of them. But only 12 were
inadvertently released, and those in a single cluster,
apparently tied together, since the school mom had brought four
clusters of a dozen each in her car or van - one cluster
escaped, as a cluster. So the numbers also don't fit the balloon
hypothesis. 12 versus 50 or more.

3. Most of the videos I viewed showed between 3 and 8 white
individual dots or orbs. But if it was a tied cluster that
escaped, they would not be expected to come untied while
drifting upwards and along with the breezes. One video did show
a tight cluster of orbs, but less than twelve. So obviously the
chronology of the various sightings and videos needs checking -
the cluster should come before the individually moving orbs if
there's a chance for the same balloons to have been involved in
both.

4. Three video segments in the pasted-together video each showed
three orbs; in two of the segments the orbs were separated from
each other by a few or by many orb-diameters, while in the third
segment they were very close to each other, practically
touching. In what order were these footage segments taken? It
would be extremely improbable for three definitely separated
balloons drifting within the mildly turbulent daytime air to
come together, rather than to continue dispersing.

5. The one segment of the three orbs very close together by
itself would shoot down the balloon hypothesis, assuming
balloons had been released from ground level individually either
dozens of feet away or miles away from the witnesses. Dispersion
would have occured as always, if they were balloons released
within the Earth's turbulent boundary layer. So a ufologist
should instead investigate if three balloons had been released
in a tied cluster, with that cluster finally coming untied
somehow just before the video footage commenced of the three
together, and with the other two video segments taken slightly
later after the three orbs had dispersed a bit.

6. Several witnesses reported that the orbs hovered over the
same area in Manhattan for 2 =BD hours. But the wind was reported
to be between 5-10 mph, which would have carried balloons some
20 miles. If so, this rules out all the one-time-release balloon
hypotheses.

7. One report had it that there were balloon releases going on
in Times Square (of yellow balloons), but a reported check on
this found that nothing of relevance had been going on in Times
Square. Was there anything to this report, and would the wind
direction have been right?

8. Concerning the retired AF officer whose recent book predicted
major UFO events over major cities on Oct. 13th, 2010: The
balloon hypothesis has to invoke a rare coincidence, while the
UFO/alien hypothesis can easily explain it if the history of UFO
deception is recalled. Or was it a failed prediction, occurring
only over NYC?

Hopefully there are some NYC ufologists, perhaps newly generated
ones, who are looking into these matters and who will report
their findings. Or is the fear of balloon ridicule just too
strong? If ufologists cannot deal with a major UFO event
involving multiple witnesses and multiple pieces of video
footage, what can they deal with?


Jim Deardorff



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