From: Steve Sawyer <stevesaw.nul> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 22:18:31 -0700 Archived: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 08:27:05 -0400 Subject: Re: Manhattan UFOs >From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj.nul> >To: post.nul >Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 10:38:27 -0700 (PDT) >Subject: Re: Manhattan UFOs >>From: Jason Gammon <boyinthemachine.nul> >>To: post.nul >>Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:29:12 -0400 (EDT) >>Subject: Re: Manhattan UFOs >>>From: Joe Merrell <joe.nul> >>>To: <post.nul> >>>Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 09:05:38 -0700 >>>Subject: Manhattan UFOs >>>These objects were spotted over Manhattan yesterday (10/13/10): >>>http://tinyurl.com/32bmybn >>>http://www.huliq.com/10164/floating-orb-manhattan-sets-ufo-debate >>>Many reports refer to a single object (mainstream press >>>reports), though multiple objects seem to have been present - as >>>can be seen clearly in the linked videos. >>UFO? NYC kids say no, mysterious floating orbs were escaped >>balloons from teacher's engagement party >>http://tinyurl.com/3yqtjqy >Surely there are a few ufologists in the NYC area, perhaps MUFON >investigators? I wonder how long one must wait to hear what they >find while investigating the various balloon hypotheses. Surely >they've noticed apparent discrepancies such as: >1. The sightings in Manhattan were reported to be going on as >early as 9:30 in the morning. The inadvertent balloon release at >the grade school was said to have occurred around 1 pm. So >unless the morning sightings were all hallucinations, the 1 pm >balloon release hypothesis can't exlain it. >2. One witness saw some 50 dots moving around in the sky, in the >morning. Another reported "hundreds" of them. But only 12 were >inadvertently released, and those in a single cluster, >apparently tied together, since the school mom had brought four >clusters of a dozen each in her car or van - one cluster >escaped, as a cluster. So the numbers also don't fit the balloon >hypothesis. 12 versus 50 or more. >3. Most of the videos I viewed showed between 3 and 8 white >individual dots or orbs. But if it was a tied cluster that >escaped, they would not be expected to come untied while >drifting upwards and along with the breezes. One video did show >a tight cluster of orbs, but less than twelve. So obviously the >chronology of the various sightings and videos needs checking - >the cluster should come before the individually moving orbs if >there's a chance for the same balloons to have been involved in >both. >4. Three video segments in the pasted-together video each showed >three orbs; in two of the segments the orbs were separated from >each other by a few or by many orb-diameters, while in the third >segment they were very close to each other, practically >touching. In what order were these footage segments taken? It >would be extremely improbable for three definitely separated >balloons drifting within the mildly turbulent daytime air to >come together, rather than to continue dispersing. >5. The one segment of the three orbs very close together by >itself would shoot down the balloon hypothesis, assuming >balloons had been released from ground level individually either >dozens of feet away or miles away from the witnesses. Dispersion >would have occured as always, if they were balloons released >within the Earth's turbulent boundary layer. So a ufologist >should instead investigate if three balloons had been released >in a tied cluster, with that cluster finally coming untied >somehow just before the video footage commenced of the three >together, and with the other two video segments taken slightly >later after the three orbs had dispersed a bit. >6. Several witnesses reported that the orbs hovered over the >same area in Manhattan for 2 =BD hours. But the wind was reported >to be between 5-10 mph, which would have carried balloons some >20 miles. If so, this rules out all the one-time-release balloon >hypotheses. >7. One report had it that there were balloon releases going on >in Times Square (of yellow balloons), but a reported check on >this found that nothing of relevance had been going on in Times >Square. Was there anything to this report, and would the wind >direction have been right? >8. Concerning the retired AF officer whose recent book predicted >major UFO events over major cities on Oct. 13th, 2010: The >balloon hypothesis has to invoke a rare coincidence, while the >UFO/alien hypothesis can easily explain it if the history of UFO >deception is recalled. Or was it a failed prediction, occurring >only over NYC? >Hopefully there are some NYC ufologists, perhaps newly generated >ones, who are looking into these matters and who will report >their findings. Or is the fear of balloon ridicule just too >strong? If ufologists cannot deal with a major UFO event >involving multiple witnesses and multiple pieces of video >footage, what can they deal with? Hi, Jim & List, Jim is absolutely correct in his preliminary evaluation of the factors and other variables he notes, that this case begs for a greater degree of investigation and analysis than it is most probably going to get. His list of points and questions is a kind of exemplar of what all serious UFO researchers should bear in mind--don't take at face value or from initial press reports that just because a woman lost a cluster of balloons a little after 1 pm, that that accounts for all aspects of this apparent series of sightings, assuming Jim's reporting is correct that other incidents at differing times occurred on the same day. Of course, the mainstream media will quickly move on to new sensations and exploit other stories as required by the 24-hour news cycle, superficial reporting, and generic dismissal of these kinds of incidents as always being of prosaic, explainable nature, but as Jim cogently points out, the timeframes, nature of the objects observed (and where, when, and of what varying kinds of object groupings) would suggest at the very least that more than one thing occurred here, and it would be useful and productive if some MUFON or other UFO researcher of some depth of experience and investigatory acumen were to look at the whole picture that Jim's post presents, and the discrepencies among the elements of the incidents coincidentally involved. It would also be much appreciated if Jim might notate or cite the sources of his 8-point summary of questions and generally not known about or reported early sightings, such as the 9:30 am or later (and prior to 1 or 1:30 pm) sighting(s) and the reports he apparently found of some witnesses reporting far more than a dozen objects in the sky, and the strange length of reported hover time without obvious, wind-borne dispersal, as one would expect in even a very light breeze over a relatively shorter period of time. If anyone were to try and pursue these discrepencies, it's necessary for citations or links to these other reports being provided, however. Jim? I myself was guilty of this rush to judgement, when I posted two links to media references about this incident, one to the NY Post, the other to Fox News, both of which basically concluded that a teacher going to an engagement party at a New York school who lost a cluster of 12 silver and white party balloons, and which were entangled by their attached strings for at least a little while (as photos in some reports showed the balloons remained in a cluster for some unknown period while rising up into the sky), was the responsible party and single source of the incident. The details Jim mentions weren't included in either of those links I noted, nor most others. It was like, whoa, case solved! Party balloons! On to the next story...but it now seems there may have been more to this story, as Jim notes above. The case or incidents may still have a prosaic, or natural explanation related to misidentification or other man-made or astronomical objects being misperceived under the all too general catch-all of "UFOs," and the implied baggage that term normally carries as indicating something other than its' actual definition, unidentified or unknown, not alien craft, but the real question and story is just what other things might have been going on in parallel and how best to determine the answers to Jim's points and questions. The only point I would dispute is No.8, where Jim confusingly (at least to me) says: "Concerning the retired AF officer whose recent book predicted major UFO events over major cities on Oct. 13th, 2010: The balloon hypothesis has to invoke a rare coincidence, while the UFO/alien hypothesis can easily explain it if the history of UFO deception is recalled. Or was it a failed prediction, occurring only over NYC?" The prediction of UFOs over all major cities on Oct. 13th by the long-retired USAF officer referred to, Stanley Fulham, and his recent re-issue (3rd edition) of his book, "Challenges of Change," which is based on info that was "channeled" through an allegedly psychic third-party, is absurd and ridiculous. I talked to the Fulham's publisher, Randy Kitchur, a few weeks ago, when this issue first surfaced on UpDates, and pointed out to Kitchur the very elementary mistake Fulham made in claiming our atmosphere was currently composed of 9% carbon dioxide, and that global warming would raise it to 22% within our lifetimes (in actual fact, the trace gas CO2 amounts to only 0.0387% of our atmosphere, so the guy is off by only, what, a factor of over 230 or so?), which is completely wrong. This is just simple mathematics, based on the well-established, known fact that the percentage of CO2 in Earth's atmosphere is, as of 2009, approximately 387 parts per million, or as noted, 0.0387%, not 9% by volume. See: http://tinyurl.com/yb4gmgs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide Kitchur, who's also Fulham's agent, website designer, and online content provider/interviewer/rep for the author totally agreed, and then corrected these figures (leaving the original statements by the author in place), but in an indirect and somewhat misleading way. He also said the Fulham, in his estimation, had paid his psychic source around $100,000 over the years for the series of "revelations" from the "alien council" of "Transcendors" included in the author's book, which also, believe it or not, includes credulous references to the "Akashic Records", MJ-12 origins and involvement, a secret cabal of scientists and techs working in the Himalayan Mountains for Al- Qaeda, and who've developed WMD's and "dirty [nuclear or radiation] bombs," and many, many other old and discredited myths and hoaxed data sources combined into a bizarre and malign melange of fantabulous and extraordinary goofiness. I kid you not. Go to the website involved, and read up on this miasmic goo of confabulation, delusion, fraudulent pyschic channelers, and igenerally ncredible silliness at: http://tinyurl.com/2dbcq45 As David Letterman's old catch-phrase would suggest, the book and interviews with the author at the link above represent some kind of "nightmarish carnival of mayhem" and absurdity, and the only benefit of reading it would be to see the strange depth to which one man's gullibility and delusions have descended to, like some crazy bad SciFi novel by some Philip K. Dick wannabe-- only the author seems to think it's all real. Go figure. Essentially, if he can't even get basic, known facts like the % amount of CO2 in the atmosphere (and his editor, Kitchur, inserted "corrections" that appear in parenthetical yellow text alongside Fulham's false statements, which is an interest- ing new development, resulting apparently from the conver- sation I had with Kitchur), and makes predictions like a massive UFO global display over all major cities on Oct. 13th, (and which was also a complete bust), perhaps these two facts will tell you all you need to know about the matter, but, in turn, I think Jim Deardorff's points1 - 7 do conversely present a valid basis for further investigation and analysis of the recent NYC sightings. Steve Listen to 'Strange Days... Indeed' - The PodCast At: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/sdi/program/ These contents above are copyright of the author and UFO UpDates - Toronto. They may not be reproduced without the express permission of both parties and are intended for educational use only.
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