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Re: MJ-12 Redux

From: Kathy Kasten <catraja.nul>
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 17:20:31 +0000
Archived: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 07:47:54 -0400
Subject: Re: MJ-12 Redux

>From: Stanton T. Friedman <fsphys.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 17:35:17 -0300
>Subject: Re: MJ-12 Redux

>>From: Kathy Kasten <catraja.nul>
>>To: <post.nul>
>>Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 15:51:11 +0000
>>Subject: Re: MJ-12 Redux

>>From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993.nul>
>>To: post.nul>
>>Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 21:09:10 EDT
>>Subject: Re: MJ-12 Redux


>>BTW; I notice there hasn't been a rush to join this conversation
>>which tells me there is little interest in this. I just thought
>>another point of view should be expressed.

>>Thanks Kevin for providing another opinion regarding the so-
>>called MJ-12 documents.

>>I would guess nobody joined in the discussion because most of us
>>had thought the debate was over. Ending with the conclusion that
>>the documents were fakes. Clever, very detailed, but fakes. That
>>would include the 'newer' even more detailed MJ-12 fakes.

>>I thought the "newer" version of all those many documents were
>>truly very funny and done by someone with a sense of humor.
>>Those documents were the "wet dream" of some ufo investigators.
>>Everything one ever wanted to be true about ufos was "proved" to
>>be true by those documents.


>You are asking the wrong question. It is not are the MJ-12
>documents fakes. It is "are any genuine?". I have, of course,
>long since noted that a mess were fakes and spelled out the
>reasons.I say three(3) are genuine and spelled out in detail why
>I reached that conclusion Check the long article on my website.
>Are isotopes fissionable? Of course not. Everybody Knows that
>99% are not. Fortunately, there are a couple that are.
>Would anybody be surprised if the government flooded the market
>With junk after the original genuine ones were slipped out? They
>were obviously successful in getting the garbage to rub off on
>the good stuff. For shame for being so gullible.

>Stan Friedman

Okay, everybody, I didn't want to do this but pretending my
response is because I am gullible? I don't think so. Sit back
because this is going to take a while to share.

1} I know all of the MJ-12 documents are fakes because the
committee that was advising President Truman was not called MJ-
12. MJ-12 was the name Bill Moore fished out of the ethers of
archived and defunct covert government projects.

2} At one time in my life I had a couple of dinner meetings and
private conversations with the two people involved in
perpetrating the first "MJ-12" documents. They were very
specific about how the "emergence" of the fake documents took

3} One of the individuals attempted to involve me in two
different ufo/aliens-are-among us hoaxes. He ran into a wall
with me because I researched the two items he was pretending
were real. You could thank me for stopping yet another couple of
hoaxes someone was getting ready to introduce to the ufo

4} During research for a book I wrote, I dug through government
documents and discovered the name and personnel of the real
working group. So, I had the real info when the next set of "MJ-
12" documents came along.

5} All sets of "MJ-12" documents do not ever mention the names
of the real people, except the head of the working group, who
participated in the real behind the scenes development of the
real space program. It was an easy call for me and not based on

Frankly, Stan, based on my research, I have always thought you
were the gullible one.

6} Because I knew how the first set of "MJ-12" documents were
presented to the public, it was easy for me to follow the
timeline trail back to the emergence of the second set of "MJ-
12." Therefore, I determined anything called "MJ-12" documents
were fakes. They are not even very good fakes as truly
convincing propaganda/disinfo should have real information
embedded in it. One name of one of the real head's of the
working group doesn't cut it with me.

7} Because I trust no one, and require background information
from at least two sources, I am considered a bitch of a
researcher and very difficult to deal with. Just ask Bill Moore.


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