From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 08:49:16 -0500 Archived: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 10:08:07 -0400 Subject: Re: Again The ETH Is A Scam >From: Jeff Ritzmann <jeff.ritzmann.nul> >To: post.nul >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 11:45:31 -0400 >Subject: Re: Again The ETH Is A Scam >>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul> >>To: <post.nul> >>Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 08:52:34 -0500 >>Subject: Re: Again The ETH Is A Scam >>>From: Greg Boone <Evolbaby.nul> >>>To: post.nul >>>Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 00:19:39 EDT >>>Subject: Re: Again The ETH Is A Scam <snip> >>>Nowadays if you don't support the ETH and it's offspring you get >>>lambasted but I remember when supporting the ETH and any related >>>matters would get you tossed into a psychiatric hospital, fired, >>>beaten up and ostracized. >>Opposition to the ETH has been pretty much arguably, the >>mainstream position in ufology since the heyday of Jacques >>Vallee and John Keel. So has the rhetorical trope that one has >>made oneself a martyr by opposing the ETH. >>But in your case, Greg, you don't even seem to grasp what the >>ETH is or what it's based upon. Perhaps it's a subject you ought >>just to let be. >Greg is precisely correct about the reaction to ETH opposition - >and Jerry, with all due respect sir, if you think otherwise >you're completely out of touch. I don't think we're speaking in >terms exclusive of researchers, but in terms of public view and >reaction. (right Greg?) But, some researchers too, can be and >are just as closed to the notion that we're not talking about >spacemen. Try bringing up non-nuts and bolts issues to these >folks and watch what you get. Oh, boy. As I wrote in a follow-up message (unposted as I write these words), the ETH is widely mistaken for the consensus view of ufologists because non-ufologists who deal with it on cable TV and in popular culture always make that equation. For one thing, they know no better, and for another, the real complexities of the phenomenon are hard to portray for the casually interested. That's the good pro-ufologist news: it's not their fault. As for the bad, a great many ufologists pay no attention to developments in planetary science and exobiology which, if they were sympathetic to the ETH, they would find exciting and revelatory. Thus, they have no clue how the ETH and modern astronomy are less in conflict than they ever were. For reasons that sometimes make little sense, many people within the UFO subculture remain as hostile to the ETH as they were when Vallee and Keel first appeared on the scene seeking occultish counter-narratives. ETH-phobes can be extraordinarily close-minded, even emotional, about it, and - as I know from a lot of personal experience - loudly displeased with those who deem the ETH an entirely reasonable approach even when those persons stress that the ETH is not certainty but hypothesis. If there is one thing I am not, by the way, it is "completely out of touch." The fact that your argument depends on that dubious charge does not do it credit. >This nasty reaction of alternate ideas isn't new, but might be >based on who is "center stage" as far as popular view - and >right now the exopolitics bunch is getting the most mainstream >attention. And, again, I can tell you from personal experience, >that crowd doesn't like the notion that this may not be >extraterrestrials. Oh, really? The Exopolitics crowd has nothing to do with the ETH, which is not a hypothesis for it any more than contactee conjecture about ETs is a mere hypothesis. Let me stress again. Everybody who discusses ET is not talking about an ET Hypothesis. Contactees and exopoliticians consider the presence of ETs a fact, not a scientifically based speculation. Jerry Clark Listen to 'Strange Days... Indeed' - The PodCast At: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/sdi/program/ These contents above are copyright of the author and UFO UpDates - Toronto. They may not be reproduced without the express permission of both parties and are intended for educational use only.
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