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Re: Again The ETH Is A Scam

From: Greg Boone <Evolbaby.nul>>
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 11:52:34 -0400 (EDT)
Archived: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 07:21:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Again The ETH Is A Scam

>From: Jeff Ritzmann <jeff.ritzmann.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 11:45:31 -0400
>Subject: Re: Again The ETH Is A Scam

>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
>>To: <post.nul>
>>Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 08:52:34 -0500
>>Subject: Re: Again The ETH Is A Scam

>>>From: Greg Boone <Evolbaby.nul>
>>>To: post.nul
>>>Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 00:19:39 EDT
>>>Subject: Re: Again The ETH Is A Scam


>>Nowadays if you don't support the ETH and it's offspring you get
>>lambasted but I remember when supporting the ETH and any related
>>matters would get you tossed into a psychiatric hospital, fired,
>>beaten up and ostracized.

>>Opposition to the ETH has been pretty much arguably, the
>>mainstream position in ufology since the heyday of Jacques
>>Vallee and John Keel. So has the rhetorical trope that one has
>>made oneself a martyr by opposing the ETH.

>>But in your case, Greg, you don't even seem to grasp what the
>>ETH is or what it's based upon. Perhaps it's a subject you ought
>>just to let be.

>Greg is precisely correct about the reaction to ETH opposition -
>and Jerry, with all due respect sir, if you think otherwise
>you're completely out of touch. I don't think we're speaking in
>terms exclusive of researchers, but in terms of public view and
>reaction. (right Greg?) But, some researchers too, can be and
>are just as closed to the notion that we're not talking about
>spacemen. Try bringing up non-nuts and bolts issues to these
>folks and watch what you get.

>This nasty reaction of alternate ideas isn't new, but might be
>based on who is "center stage" as far as popular view - and
>right now the exopolitics bunch is getting the most mainstream
>attention. And, again, I can tell you from personal experience,
>that crowd doesn't like the notion that this may not be

>At a gathering in DC, my broadcast partner Jeremy Vaeni stood up
>and asked the speaking panel what evidence was there that
>solidified this as an ET based phenomenon - and how one could
>build a foundation of protocol based on a theory? (at best).

>The crowd got extremely aghast, with more than one attendee
>saying "what the hell are you here for?" Stephen Bassett then
>went on to proclaim it was confirmed extraterrestrials at high
>volume (among other vernaculars of alleged "fact") as he pounded
>his fist into his hand. Bassett also said he'd debate this
>anytime, anyplace, and anywhere.

>As he's on this List, perhaps we could find out just how the
>hell he's got the answers. Same old thing: people who have
>elevated themselves in ufology to a position of public influence
>spouting unfounded proclamations.

>Now we can easily say exopols don't represent the whole and
>that's true. However to most of the interested UFO public, this
>is still the end-all answer to their own wish fulfillment. It
>then morphs into belief, and we all know what happens after
>that. There's no talking sense.

>So Greg - You're absolutely right about the opposition - it's
>venomous reactions to a belief system being questioned, and one
>that doesn't seem to represent the data very well in my opinion.
>There may not be, as Jerry has said, one unified answer - but
>any questioning of the status quo of theories quickly earns you
>the ire of many.

>Thankfully, there are those open to abstract views and the
>complexities within this phenomenon, willing to question.

Thanks Jeff,

Great account you've shared with us.

My point is that it may well be that extraterrestrials are
involved but there is no physical proof to come forth yet. That
has been the fly in the ointment for over half a century.

Any hunter will tell you, if it's real, it's got tracks. We do
have trace cases but all those trace cases say is that something
was where something was seen or experienced. It doesn't say ET.

The ET component of ufology is now a massive industry with
Hollywood ripping off discoveries and theories from UFOlogists
for decades on end. Ask yourself, how many ET/UFO based movies
and tv shows have there been that have made millions and
billions of dollars and then count on one hand the number of
hardworking, self sacrificing UFOlogists are multi millionaires?

UFOlogists do the grunt work, the dirty work, the risk of life,
limb, fortune and are overrun by marketing and Hollywood types.

The ETH is a big ass money maker and the fact the highest
grossing movie of all time has that element to it is point in

But you didn't see James Cameron forking over any dough to help
Pete Davenport or the hundreds of other dedicated people out

Bottom line is because the ETH is such a money maker now to even
suggest any alternative theory now gets hammered.

Again, I remember well into my adult years, if you mentioned any
form of belief or contact with ETs or even if you had seen a
UFO, you could be hauled off and dumped into a psych hospital.
Those days were cruel and brutal to say the least.

Since there are now cottage industries and more utilizing the
ETH and it's offshoots, which many a time have proven to be a
racket, we need to sit back, go over the raw data and look at
alternatives or at least put it on the back burner until our
scientists finish or gain more knowledge about our universe and
especially ourselves.

We know the modus operandi of the reported contacts but without
something to put under a microscope it's still just anecdotal
and open to abuse.



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