From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 13:58:48 -0300 Archived: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 15:03:23 -0400 Subject: Re: Again The ETH Is A Scam >From: William Treurniet <wtreurniet.nul> >To: post.nul >Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 16:32:57 -0400 >Subject: Re: Again The ETH Is A Scam >>From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul> >>To:<post.nul> >>Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 13:36:36 -0300 >>Subject: Re: Again The ETH Is A Scam >>>From: Jerome Clark<jkclark.nul> >>>To:<post.nul> >>>Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 08:49:16 -0500 >>>Subject: Re: Again The ETH Is A Scam >><snip> >>Since the Top Secret, Earth based technology has never worked >>(it has been bandied about for about 70 years with no resolution >>after all) except for those who don't have any real knowledge of >>what's really in the aresenals of the world; and no other >>sensible solution has come along to fit the bill, we are usually >>left asking if this phenomenon is from some extraterrestrial >>source. >Don't you think you're out on a limb, Don, when you say that >secret Earth-based technology has never worked? The view is better from out on the limb. What I said was that the Earth based technology claim that the phenomenon has never worked. It didn't work in the 1940s, it didn't work in the Ken Arnold case and it doesn't work now. If it was Earth based, who had the technology back in the war years and where did it come from? >Are you suggesting that people who are not in the loop should >nevertheless always know what has been developed successfully in >secret? >As is well known, Dr. Ben Rich at Lockheed is reported to have >said before his death in 1995 that "We already have the means to >travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in >black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them >out to benefit humanity. Anything you can imagine we already >know how to do." Is there reason to think he was lying? I'm sure >I'm not the only one who would like to know. More like out of context. And just who has this technology? I'm guessing you are going with the United States. Stan Friedman worked on Nuclear Rocket Engines for some years. These were dramatically more powerful than their chemical and solid propellant brothers but the program was dropped. These rockets would have shortened travel times to Mars and beyond. The travel among the stars quote is nothing more than a romanticised take on our ability to travel outward in the solar system. >Why has there been such a dearth of public domain research on >gravity since the early 1960's? Has this topic been actively >discouraged by the funding agencies? Not sure the point you are trying to make. So they are researching gravity. Science has been studing gravity for a few hundred years or at least since Newton. >People report seeing large, unidentified craft in various >countries that no military seems overly concerned about (e.g., >Pheonix, Stephenville). Why is that? Could it be the craft are >homemade? Simple answer; embarrassement. The air forces of the world have neen embarrassed by thesethings for years. The air force's main is to guarantee air space superiority over their own country. When unknowns repeatedly outclass in every respect the air technology of that country and fly in that country's airspace with impunity and no reasonable answer as to why that air force can't guarantee superiority then that air force falls back on the claim that these unknowns pose not treat to that country then go on to come up with every outrageous scenario to make it appear that witnesses are feebleminded and reporting the most ordinary of things. Do I have to go into that? Phoenix, no given the size and capability. The jury is still out on Stephenville as it is with Phoenix. But not top secret technology. >It is easy to connect the dots and infer that secret skunk works >have done a lot of catching up to the non-human technology that >appears to have been with us for a much longer time. Trillions >of dollars have been spent there. If the requisite human >technology exists, most of us are just not aware of it, so we >tend to credit all UFO sightings to non-humans. Maybe the credit >should be shared with those closer to home. My biggest problem with the black funding is not that it doesn't exist because it does across the board on many different projects, but I ask why is it that billions more are being wasted on known conventional projects. Even now tens of millions have been allocated to explore new Lighter Than Air (LTA) technology that has been around since 1904. Billions more have been spent on conventionally powered defence aircraft and bombers. Though advances have been made in polymer and engine technology reducing weight, LTA craft still look pretty much the same as they did in circa 1904 and are either giant gas backs or rigid technology. We float 400 foot diameter scientific balloons - out growths of the Skyhook of 70 feet back in 1948 - in the upper atmosphere at 100,000 feet with 600 pound payloads and upward, the P-971 has flown and will fly again unless the winds are over 9 mph. This rig is heavier than air, is triple hulled soft-bag technology that relies on it's hull shape to give it some lift but it to seems to be falling by the wayside. Unless you can give me sound reasons first how the US came by this technology before WWII yet decided to keep it back and let a million plus US soldiers die or suffer casualties needlessly, a million deaths and casualties in the UK, and millions more in Western and Eastern Europe and then spent 2 billion dollars on the invention of the A-bomb, I'll pass on that tired old theory that these are secret military technology. That theory failed 70 years ago and falls flat now. Anyway, it's not 'out on a limb' for me. It's just common sense. Don Ledger Listen to 'Strange Days... 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