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Re: Again The ETH Is A Scam

From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 13:58:48 -0300
Archived: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 15:03:23 -0400
Subject: Re: Again The ETH Is A Scam

>From: William Treurniet <wtreurniet.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 16:32:57 -0400
>Subject: Re: Again The ETH Is A Scam

>>From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
>>Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 13:36:36 -0300
>>Subject: Re: Again The ETH Is A Scam

>>>From: Jerome Clark<jkclark.nul>
>>>Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 08:49:16 -0500
>>>Subject: Re: Again The ETH Is A Scam


>>Since the Top Secret, Earth based technology has never worked
>>(it has been bandied about for about 70 years with no resolution
>>after all) except for those who don't have any real knowledge of
>>what's really in the aresenals of the world; and no other
>>sensible solution has come along to fit the bill, we are usually
>>left asking if this phenomenon is from some extraterrestrial

>Don't you think you're out on a limb, Don, when you say that
>secret Earth-based technology has never worked?

The view is better from out on the limb.

What I said was that the Earth based technology claim that the
phenomenon  has never worked. It didn't work in the 1940s, it
didn't work in the Ken Arnold case and it doesn't work now. If
it was Earth based, who had the technology back in the war years
and where did it come from?

>Are you suggesting that people who are not in the loop should
>nevertheless always know what has been developed successfully in

>As is well known, Dr. Ben Rich at Lockheed is reported to have
>said before his death in 1995 that "We already have the means to
>travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in
>black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them
>out to benefit humanity. Anything you can imagine we already
>know how to do." Is there reason to think he was lying? I'm sure
>I'm not the only one who would like to know.

More like out of context. And just who has this technology? I'm
guessing you are going with the United States. Stan Friedman
worked on Nuclear Rocket Engines for some years. These were
dramatically more powerful than their chemical and solid
propellant brothers but the program was dropped. These rockets
would have shortened travel times to Mars and beyond. The travel
among the stars quote is nothing more than a romanticised take
on our ability to travel outward in the solar system.

>Why has there been such a dearth of public domain research on
>gravity since the early 1960's? Has this topic been actively
>discouraged by the funding agencies?

Not sure the point you are trying to make. So they are
researching gravity. Science has been studing gravity for a few
hundred years or at least since Newton.

>People report seeing large, unidentified craft in various
>countries that no military seems overly concerned about (e.g.,
>Pheonix, Stephenville). Why is that? Could it be the craft are

Simple answer; embarrassement. The air forces of the world have
neen embarrassed by thesethings for years. The air force's main
is to guarantee air space superiority over their own country.
When unknowns repeatedly outclass in every respect the air
technology of that country and fly in that country's airspace
with impunity and no reasonable answer as to why that air force
can't guarantee superiority then that air force falls back on
the claim that these unknowns pose not treat to that country
then go on to come up with every outrageous scenario to make it
appear that witnesses are feebleminded and reporting the most
ordinary of things.

Do I have to go into that?

Phoenix, no given the size and capability. The jury is still out on
Stephenville as it is with Phoenix. But not top secret technology.

>It is easy to connect the dots and infer that secret skunk works
>have done a lot of catching up to the non-human technology that
>appears to have been with us for a much longer time. Trillions
>of dollars have been spent there. If the requisite human
>technology exists, most of us are just not aware of it, so we
>tend to credit all UFO sightings to non-humans. Maybe the credit
>should be shared with those closer to home.

My biggest problem with the black funding is not that it doesn't exist
because it does across the board on many different projects, but I ask
why is it that billions more are being wasted on known conventional
projects. Even now tens of millions have been allocated to explore
new Lighter Than Air (LTA) technology that has been around since
1904. Billions more have been spent on conventionally powered
defence aircraft and bombers.

Though advances have been made in polymer and engine technology
reducing weight, LTA craft still look pretty much the same as
they did in circa 1904 and are either giant gas backs or rigid
technology. We float 400 foot diameter scientific balloons - out
growths of the Skyhook of 70 feet back in 1948 - in the upper
atmosphere at 100,000 feet with 600 pound payloads and upward,
the P-971 has flown and will fly again unless the winds are over
9 mph. This rig is heavier than air, is triple hulled soft-bag
technology that relies on it's hull shape to give it some lift
but it to seems to be falling by the wayside.

Unless you can give me sound reasons first how the US came by
this technology before WWII yet decided to keep it back and let
a million plus US soldiers die or suffer casualties needlessly,
a million deaths and casualties in the UK, and millions more in
Western and Eastern Europe and then spent 2 billion dollars on
the invention of the A-bomb, I'll pass on that tired old theory
that these are secret military technology. That theory failed 70
years ago and falls flat now.

Anyway, it's not 'out on a limb' for me. It's just common sense.

Don Ledger

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