From: A. J. Gevaerd <ajgevaerd.nul> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 08:33:00 -0200 Archived: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 17:32:17 -0500 Subject: Re: More On Crop Formation Found In Brazil >From: Eustaquio Andrea Patounas <socex.ufobras.nul> >To: post.nul >Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 16:52:29 -0200 >Subject: Re: More On Crop Formation Found In Brazil >>From: A. J. Gevaerd - Revista UFO <aj.nul> >>To: <post.nul> >>Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 15:28:28 -0200 >>Subject: Re: More On Crop Formation Found In Brazil >>Excuse me... >>Have you been to any of the locations - which are in your own state - >>and examined the formations yourself? >>Have you spoken to the "few inhabitants" of the affected cities to know >>what they think about it? > >>Have you searched and interviewed possible witnesses of the unusual >>phenomena connected to the formations? >>Have you spoken to other investigators, police members, agriculture >>technicians and engineers to hear what they have to say? >>Have you compared the formations you call "ridiculous" with other cases >>investigated in several parts of the world by serious people? >>I guess the answer is _no_ all those questions, right? >>So, the expressions "ridiculous human formations" or "stupid ETs >>without study or creativity" are only a matter of personal and >>prejudicial opinion, just like you did in previous years when we had >>the same phenomena in your own state and you didn't feel compelled to >>investigate them. >>Why don't you at least waste some time doing all the items above before >>saying the investigation is a "waste of time"? >>A. J. >Dear Colleagues, >First of all, I=B4d like to apologize for my poor English and >second to emphasize that we are discussing facts and procedures >and not people. >I went to Ipuacu after the event in 2008 and there I had >meetings with the local police, accessing the police records >from the event. I also interviewed the native and local people. >In another words, yes, I=B4ve had been there indeed. >After analyzing all the information given by the local police, >after analyzing all the information given by the local people, >so after all researches, searches, interviews, I concluded that >it was a bad joke from someone who may have had done it either >on purpose or for a convenience reason. Curiously, some time >after these crop drawings event, there happened a UFO event >sponsored by the local mayor. Was it an intelligent way to >promote the small town or shall I consider it as a mere >coincidence in a small - few street- agricultural town (6,500 >total population)? >The colleagues had asked me the reason why I haven=B4t been to the >place where the new incident happened and I=B4d like to say that >while I was watching the news on the TV, I could see how >ridiculous, grotesque, primary were the drawings. A perfect >children=B4s drawing. In my opinion that=B4s why none of the >renowned researchers nor scientist went therem either. We would >spend neither time nor money with slapstick or with unfounded >things. By the way, may I ask why Thiago hasn't been there too? >One thing that I may say is that the Brazilian are making fun of >these non-geometrics and horrible drawings via social network >such as Facebook or Orkut. >In case of any other needs, please don=B4t hesitate to ask me >either by my personnel e-mail or via this renowned and >respectful discussion List. I read your report about the 2009 event in Ipuacu with amazement. You say here that you've been there on the event of 2008, but it is not a fact. Actually, you were there in the event of 2009, the case of the triangular formation, not the 2008, just to clear your memory. That is a big difference. But being there doesn=92t mean at all that you investigated the case. It is another big difference. Otherwise, thousands of people who also went there just the see the phenomena would say the same as you did, that they investigated the case. You know they didn't do so and neither did you. Your very brief report at that time, which I read with some shock, says that you spent a couple of hours at the city on a weekend some weeks after the formation was found and weeks even after the crop was harvested and not a single piece of it could be seen. Right? You also claim in your report, very briefly, that you met people from the city, yet not witnesses, and mentioned names. One of them was as an employee of the City Hall and another was supposedly a police member. Well, as I have established strong connections with that town and made several 650-miles trips there to continuously evaluate the situation, I checked with all the employees of the City Hall and all members of local police, in each case they are very few people, and curiously nobody at all remembered being contact by you, either personally or by phone That is odd. And the local policy chief didn`t file anything that you could have accessed. It is even odder. And yet, even after being in Ipuacu weeks after the events of 2009 (not 2008, as you can't remember straight), and allegedly talked with those people, you didn't see nor examined the formation and immediately issued your incredible report saying that they are fake. That is even more curious, because had you actually spoken with anybody from the City Hall or the police, they not only would have told you otherwise as they would also have insisted that the formation was genuine to them and to everyone else who saw it. If this is a "joke", as you concluded after your peculiar investigation of the formation, please tell us who was it done: http://www.ufo.com.br/artigos/os-agroglifos-estao-de-volta http://www.ufo.com.br/artigos/as-inusitadas-caracteristicas-do-agroglifo Listers can enjoy more photos of this formation done during Ivo Luis Dohl's and my investigations here. Check by yourselves: http://www.ufo.com.br/public/agroglifos/2009/brasil_a_j_gevaed/ http://www.ufo.com.br/public/agroglifos/2009/brasil_ivo_luis_dohl/ Unlike you, Eustaquio, I went to Ipuacu at my expense several time and I have not only extensively examined all the formations by myself, as I have interviewed the witnesses of strange unusual phenomena connected to the formations, such as strange balls of light over the fields. I also have consulted several other investigators, police members (they will remember me) and agriculture technicians and engineers, and all of them told me clear and loud, not once, but many times, that they know no method nor a machinery that would be able to do such formations. I would strongly suggest that, instead of giving interviews to the press and also posting your articles stating that the formations in your own state are forged or "ridiculous", as you did, that you get best informed of their circumstances and preferably go to the locations to do what has to be done. Or read the material that those who has gone there and done the investigations wrote. As for your affirmation that faking the October 31, 2009 triangular formation was "an intelligent way to promote the small town" through the organization of a UFO conference sponsored by the local mayor, it is simply preposterous. The event in question happened almost 5 entire months after the formation was found and the crop was harvested. Time enough to everybody simply forget it. And if that was the case, why would any employee of the City Hall or police member say they are fake? As you know, I was the person invited by the mayor to organize that conference and it was enormously well succeeded thanks to the massive cooperation of more than a dozen of the most recognized UFO researchers in Brazil, invited to present there. And that includes, as a special guest, the former commander of the powerful Brazilian Airspace Defense Command, brigadier Jose Carlos Pereira, who certainly would never get involved in a scam, as you suggest. May I also remind you that in the events of the previous year, 2008, you didn't either do this peculiar research that you claim you've done in the 2009 case (yet misplacing the date), despite the fact that you live in the same state where the formations took place, you were one of the first persons to say that they were "obvious false", without bothering to check out the facts by yourself. Listers surely can understand your poor English, but I, at least, can't understand your poor knowledge of a phenomena that you speak about so openly. 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