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Re: Hudson Valley UFOs

From: Steve Sawyer <stevesaw.nul>
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 06:17:22 -0700
Archived: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 16:15:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Hudson Valley UFOs

>From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 19:58:44 -0300
>Subject: Re: Hudson Valley UFOs

>>From: Carol Maltby <carolmaltby.nul>
>>To: post.nul
>>Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 23:59:43 -0400
>>Subject: Re: Hudson Valley UFOs

>>>From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
>>>To: post.nul
>>>Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 13:12:59 -0300
>>>Subject: Re: Hudson Valley UFOs

>>>>From: Gregory Boone <evolbaby.nul>
>>>>To: post.nul
>>>>Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 07:06:03 -0400 (EDT)
>>>>Subject: Re: Hudson Valley UFOs

>>>The densest commercial traffic corridors and airspace in the
>>>world is the New York TRACON (that might not be the case in a
>>>few years when Bejing exceeds that) and that air space is
>>>jealously guarded. Google that up on Wiki. Cripes there are AF
>>>bases all over the map in that area but that doesn't mean they
>>>train there other than to take off and land. They don't do
>>>exercises out in reeds with impunity; period.

>>>Me and thousands like me have passed through that airspace below
>>>the floor of the TRACON (2,500 to 3,000 feet ASL) threading
>>>through what's left between biz-jet ports and regional carrier
>>>and commuter fields, etc.never mind the rising and falling
>>>terrain. Unrecorded C-130s tearing around willy-nilly chasing
>>>Top Secret Drones through highly populated areas and commercial
>>>airspace is absurd and the province of the fringe believer.
>>Don, could you clarify your last comments for me please?

>>I live under a flight path for Stewart, about 5 miles southeast
>>of West Shokan, one of the towns featured in the story. If you
>>open up your Google Maps to New York State and get a section
>>framed by Interstate 88 and Interstate 87 (NY Thruway), with the
>>Ashokan Reservoir in the lower right corner, you'll see the
>>small towns/hamlets like West Shokan, Chichester and Stamford
>>are dotted throughout the vast, mountainous state forest lands
>>of the Catskill Mountains. Populated, it ain't (let alone highly
>>populated), and our regular traffic heading to Stewart is
>>limited to a handful of flights.

>>Are you invalidating the experiences of the people quoted, and
>>saying they didn't see or hear what they saw and heard? While I
>>can't personally verify that they were C-130s, a police officer
>>seems to have corroborated Blake Killen's statement that that's
>>one of the aircraft.

>Hi Carol,

>I'm invalidating their interpretation that they are seeing air
>force maneuvers in other than MOAs or a public air show. If a
>police officer witnessed a dangerous act then he should have
>reported it. Unless recently the US was placed under Marshall
>Law then FAA rules (Federal Air Regulations-FARs) apply in
>civilian airspace. That's all I'm saying.

Hi, Don---

I think you must have meant Martial Law. Perhaps you were
thinking about Gen. George Marshall, and his famous recovery plan
for post-WW II Europe, or what was called the Marshall Plan.

I accept your premise of unusual or "dangerous" military aircraft
maneuvers over either rural or particularly urban areas as being
rather unlikely in most cases, but see my UpDates post from
earlier today about a couple kinds of exceptions, which still go
on today, and might partially explain what the rural residents of
the Hudson Valley, Adirondack, and Catskill mountain areas in the
northeast may have been observing lately, which might be either
special ops training maneuvers or continuity of government and
operations resupply and training/practice exercises that are
usually quite discreet and denied by local, state, and federal
authorities, including the FAA when required to.

I only note these possibilities as just that, and have no further
info or insight into the aerial activities apparently being seen
by some people in the area Greg Boone and Carol Maltby have
mentioned occurring in the area concerned. Frankly, and all
things considered, including my own past investigation of the
similar series of incidents in northern California in the early
1990's, it seems my speculation may explain some of the aspects
of these more recent aerial activities in the northeast area, and
the FAA or other governmental authorities not commenting or
investigating it, as it very well might be covert and classified
under national security provisions of law and policy, thus
denied. Similar aerial and ground activities have occurred over
the past 30 years or more in Texas, southern and northern
California, and several other states--this may also help explain
the rural "black helicopter" phenomenon, at least in part, or
some cattle mutilations or reported UFO night time light
phenomena related in time and place, and could be an intentional
or inadvertent form of misdirection of sorts. These latter
suppositions are entirely speculative, of course. Maybe...

Who knows? Maybe if elements of the government announce that it
is unknown or unexplained, or imply UFO activity of some kind
(which would be both hilarious and ironic, given UFO history and
past cover ops using the UFO meme), and if it doesn't get
pursued, or go anywhere with the FAA or the military, once
queried, then that might suggest just what my best guess suggests
about the nature and locale of the recent aerial activity is
caused by and based upon. Gotta maintain that good, ol' plausible
deniability for things covert, don'cha know? And so it goes....

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