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Re: New Official Brazilian UFO Files

From: A. J. Gevaerd - Revista UFO <aj.nul>
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 12:05:59 -0300
Archived: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 06:53:43 -0400
Subject: Re: New Official Brazilian UFO Files

>From: Joe McGonagle <joe.mcgonagle.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 12:52:38 +0100
>Subject: Re: New Official Brazilian UFO Files

>>From: Kentaro Mori <kentaro.mori.nul>
>>To: post.nul
>>Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 14:57:53 -0300
>>Subject: Re: New Official Brazilian UFO Files

>>>From: A. J. Gevaerd - Revista UFO <aj.nul>
>>>To: <post.nul>
>>>Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 10:56:45 -0300
>>>Subject: New Official Brazilian UFO Files


>>>In Brazil, differently that what happened in France and England,
>>>for example, where the disclosure has been thanks to an
>>>administrative decision, the opening of files is a result of
>>>movement conducted by a number of Brazilian UFO researchers in
>>>behalf of the entire Brazilian UFO Community.

>>I think our fellows abroad, especially in the UK, would strongly
>>disagree with that.

>>It both downplays the role UFO researchers had in those
>>countries, and exaggerates the one they had here in Brazil.


>Thanks, Kentaro.

>I had earlier considered making a response to the above comment,
>but decided it wasn't worth the effort, however since you have
>made the effort to do so it only seems right that I do.

>Like yourself, I don't intend to play down the role played by AJ
>in securing the release of the Brazilian files, but his
>"administrative decision" remark does play down the roles played
>by other researchers across the world, not least in the USA,
>Canada, Australia and here in the UK.

>I can sort of understand his attitude to myself, Dave Clarke,
>and Gary Anthony since he is a Popophile, and he is just
>parroting Pope's comments in regard to the release. This is
>disappointing especially since during an exchange I and AJ had
>on this List concerning Pope a year ago at:




>AJ wrote:

>"Nick is my friend and a good friend, but we are also preparing
>our own interview with him for the Brazilian UFO Magazine. It is
>going to be very detailled and I will take your questions into
>consideration when doing so, thanks! If you have other
>questions, just send them over and I will include them."

>I furnished AJ (via Thiago Ticchetti) with information and
>questions intended to examine Pope's real level of involvement
>during his spell on the "UFO desk". I have had no feedback from
>AJ or Thiago since then so when I have a little time, I will
>publish the information which they have apparently suppressed so
>people can see for themselves exactly what Pope's involvement
>was or wasn't.

>As for what led up to the release of the documents in the UK, an
>article was lost during a transfer of web hosting services, but
>it can still be viewed on the "wayback" machine at:


>which describes how the UK MoD decision to release the files en-
>bloc came about. It was an administrative decision, but a
>decision made under duress created by a handful of British


Kentaro Mori, distorted what I said. Now here I tell you that I
never believed or intended to say that there were no efforts
made by UK and French researchers to get the truth out. I
perfectly know what is going on in your country and others about
this issue. Come one? You know me!

As I told earlier, I know most and I am good friend of most UK
and French researchers (the few left in French, I am afraid), I
have been there speaking in their conferences many times since
late and good Graham Birdsall and know perfectly well what they
try to accomplish there. Or try as hard as possible.

It is because of that that, even though the efforts by UK
researchers -- I didn't include American, Canadians,
Australians, you did --, the releasing of papers in those
countries were administrative decisions. I.e.: someone there
said: "why will we keep getting bothered by people asking this
stuff. Just let it go."

Me a Popophile? Parroting Pope's? If you have problems with him,
fix them yourself, don't include me. I am good friend with Pope
and don't have to parrot him or anybody else. Thinking twice,
no, you don't know me.

You had an offer to get interviewed by the same magazine that
interviewed Pope and by the same person, Thiago. Why don't you
take it and say what you have to?

A. J.

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