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Re: New Official Brazilian UFO Files

From: Thiago Luiz Ticchetti <thiagoticchetti.nul>
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 17:31:22 -0300
Archived: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 15:06:11 -0400
Subject: Re: New Official Brazilian UFO Files

>From: Kentaro Mori <kentaro.mori.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:51:40 -0300
>Subject: Re: New Official Brazilian UFO Files

>>From: Thiago Luiz Ticchetti <thiagoticchetti.nul>
>>To: post.nul
>>Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 09:37:28 -0300
>>Subject: Re: New Official Brazilian UFO Files


>>1 - Brig. Pereira was and is important, but he was not
>>responsible to the disclosure. You, Mr. Kentaro, must read more
>>about Fernando Ramalho's work on it.

>I didn't write he was responsible for the disclosure. I wrote he
>was the key figure in the Brazilian UFO Disclosure. If anyone
>asks why _only_ the Brazilian Air Force, and not the Army nor
>the Navy released their UFO files, the simple answer can be
>found on the fact that only in the Air Force there was Brig
>Pereira, who had the authority and the personal initiative to
>collect UFO files from a series of branches for several years,
>preparing for the eventual disclosure he views as beneficial to

Wrong. The reasons why the Army nor the Navy have it released
their UFO files are much beyond than you suppose and if you read
the Brazilian UFO Magazine you will learn them, specially our
next edition # 183.

>>2 - Credit for the campaign is, in a great part, thanks to A.J
>>who worked for ufology before you were born. Without his work,
>>together with a lot of people over the years, there wouldn't be
>>ufology in Brazil today.

>There was Brazilian ufology before Ademar Gevaerd, there will be
>afterwards. In fact, Brazilian Ufology through the work of
>researchers like Olavo Fontes et al, who were working before
>Gevaerd was born, was and is much more widely known than it is

Nobody said otherwise, but Fontes has been dead for decades and
in the last 2 decades A. J. Gevaerd has travelled 50 countries
in over 130 trips to take the Brazilian Ufology to the most
mumerous audiences he possibly could, some time at great expense
to his personal time, his family and his business

>>3 - Mr. Kentaro about Varginha, the documents might have been
>>withheld for many years without the campaign and our work.

>As the first and main Varginha Case researcher, Ubirajara
>Rodrigues, explained to me, this Inquiry "was never withheld".
>After it was concluded it was archived, and has been publicly
>available since 1997. Rodrigues, who gave his affidavit in this
>inquiry, had already done that and knew the full contents of it
>before the alleged "disclosure".

Well, this is quit different than is widelly known from other
parties. Remember that Rodriges has become a critical of things
that he himself discovered, reason why he has taken serious hits
by the entire Brazilian UFO Community.

>And you must know that, because you found where that document
>was archived because when you asked the authorities where the
>"secret" Varginha Case files were, the Army simply replied that
>_all_ they had on the case was that very same inquiry, archived
>there for public access.

Wrong again. You definitely need to read the Brazilian UFO
Magazine, where it is fully explained.

>And even then you didn't ask for them! It was the IstoE
>journalists who did that, and they sent copies of the documents
>to you. This is very different from the picture that has been

Wrong once more time. Istoe journalist Rodrigo Cardoso was
detailledly instructed about what to ask and whom to ask to get
that material by A. J. Gevaerd, Marco Petit and Fernando Ramalho
for weeks. Rodrigo would never reach that document wasn't for
these three, because, in the first place, he didn't know what to
ask and to whom. And neither knew the importance of the
documents. What you can't see, among other things, is that it
was all an strategy to have Istoe's immense power in Brazil to
achieve what UFO reseachers couldn't. I.e. to work for the
Brazilian Ufology.

>>4 - Trindade. Please, you have no new arguments, so let's not
>>talk about it.

>The same goes for Trindade. Extremely relevant documents were
>publicly available at the Navy Documentation Service for over
>half a century, but very few people asked for them. I know of
>only one initiative before ours - which is remarkable since it
>was sponsored and coordinated from abroad and even that was
>quite recent.

The closest to "Extremely relevant documents" coming from the
Navy was the ones it released in September as a direct request
made by the Brazilian Committee of UFO Researchers (CBU), that
you dislike so much, with the help of congressman Chico Alencar,
obtained directly from Navy Command through the Ministery of
Defense. Read the magazine, Kentaro.

>Realizing one of the most important things for UFO Disclosure in
>Brazil is simply getting past bureaucracy paints a very
>different picture from the one that has been sold. And this is
>not to mention the "disclosured" files which had been obtained
>by Edison Boaventura, long before this recent campaign, who got
>_original_ UFO files that even the Brazilian Air Force didn't

Did at least you know that the 1,200 original pages of documents
that Edison Boaventura obtained were handled to him by an former
officer who openly asked him to give them all and immediately to
the entire Brazilian UFO Community, and that he sat on them and
waited 10 long years and even did an attemp to sell the papers
by over US$ 40,000 that weren't his for his own benefit ? Did
you ? Did you at least know that the only reason that those
1,200 original pages of documents are now available to everyone
is because the pressure put over him by the Brazilian Committee
of UFO Researchers (CBU), it is A. J. Gevaerd, and that made him
to finally handle those public records in his possesion to the
entire society ? Did you ? And that it was done with big
announcement by him himself in the Brazilian UFO Magazine?

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