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Re: Printy 'Science' & Kecksberg

From: Vincent Boudreau <vincentboudreau.nul>
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 04:57:18 -0400
Archived: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 07:55:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Printy 'Science' & Kecksberg


>From: David Rudiak <drudiak.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 14:36:21 -0700
>Subject: Printy 'Science' & Kecksberg

>[was: Debunkers Irrational Uninformed And Ignorant]

>>Source: Frank Warren's UFO Chronicles

>>http://tinyurl.com/7sest3t

>snip>

>>UFO Debunkers: Irrational, Uninformed And Ignorant
>>Stanton T Friedman

>>In early February, 2012, Andre Skondras, who distributes many
>>interesting UFO articles on the internet, carried a 15 page 2008
>>article by Tim Printy entitled The UFO Disclosure Myth; I am a
>>primary target of the last portion of the article. I also found
>>his paper My Skeptical Opinion about UFOs. Clearly he is a
>>debunker not a skeptic. He seems to know very little though he
>>has strong opinions.

>Ah yes, Tim Printy, the Sarah Palin of Ufology, indeed
>irrational, uniformed, and ignorant. He thinks he knows much
>more than he really does, claims to be the defender of "science"
>But like a lot of debunkers, he is more of a science wannabe who
>thinks he knows what "science" is about, but hasn't a clue about
>true scientific argumentation. Printy never really had any
>formal scientific education. Unlike Stan or me, or many others
>in this crazy field, Printy has zero college science degrees.
>Just remember that whenever you read Printy ranting about how
>sancrosanct "science" is and how supposedly pseudoscientific
>Ufologists like Stan or me are.

>According to a bio he once did on himself, he has only a high
>school diploma before putting in for (as I remember) a 20 year
>stint in the Navy as a tech on a nuclear submarine. Nothing
>wrong with that, of course, but it doesn't somehow make one a
>"scientist" any more than being an auto mechanic makes you a
>scientist. Nonetheless, that and being a long-time amateur
>astronomer, apparently makes Printy think he is a scientific
>genius, even though he bungles just about every argument he
>makes because he usually 1) doesn't get his basic facts right or
>just makes them up or omits/dismisses inconvenient ones, or 2)
>doesn't even comprehend what the argument is about.  Printy is
>bombastic in his writing style and knows just barely enough to
>make him sound superficially authoritative, but when you analyze
>his arguments, they almost invariably turn out to be total
>rubbish.

<snip>


Hello David, Stan and List.

With all due respect, you seem to confuse academic credits and
scientific credibility.

Science is an attitude, a way of thinking, As it has been long
demonstrated, science is not necessarily what scientists do.

What scientists do, most of the time, is uncritically parroting
their establishment in order to gain position and research
grants.

Period.

Btw, the obviously un-scientific lack of interest in the UFO
subject by the "scientific" community lies simply in the lack of
money invested by the powers that be.

To paraphrase the film Field Of Dreams: "put money into it and
they will come."

We could get in a very long argument about the merits of good
science and the contemporary pitfalls and failures of official
"science".

What distinguishes guys like yourself, or Friedman or that piano
player - ah yes, Maccabee - from the rest of the pack is that
_you want to know_.

The others? They want the cash and they couldn't care less about
their own mediocrity.

One can argue that all scientists are not like that.

I'll grant you that much.

But, most of the time, at the end of the day, it is first about
party line, then big money.

The party line comes first.


Vincent Boudreau



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