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Re: Kenneth Arnold William Rhodes & Maury Island

From: Kathy Kasten <catraja.nul>
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 17:18:53 +0000
Archived: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 05:28:51 -0400
Subject: Re: Kenneth Arnold William Rhodes & Maury Island

>From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 17:45:59 -0400 (EDT)
>Subject: Re: Kenneth Arnold William Rhodes & Maury Island

>>From: Kathy Kasten <catraja.nul>
>>To: <post.nul>
>>Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 18:32:25 +0000
>>Subject: Re: Kenneth Arnold William Rhodes & Maury Island

>>>Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 09:30:15 -0400
>>>To: ufo-updates-list.nul
>>>From: post.nul
>>>Subject: UFO UpDate: Kenneth Arnold William Rhodes & Maury Island

>>>Source: Kevin Randle's A Different Perspective Blog


>>>Saturday, April 07, 2012

>>>Kenneth Arnold, William Rhodes And Maury Island


>>>I mention all this by way of background to a new point. I have
>>>been working on a book for Visible Ink Press and one of the
>>>things I have been doing is revisiting the Maury Island
>>>sighting. This took place on June 21, 1947, which is only a
>>>couple of days before Kenneth Arnold made his sighting, but it
>>>received no publicity, or interest, until after Arnold's report
>>>exploded all over the newspapers and the world.

>>I suggest you read Kenn Thomas' JFK & UFO: Military-Industrial
>>Conspiracy and Cover-Up from Maury Island to Dallas. Thomas
>>covers Arnold's involvement providing more information than has
>>normally been reported. He goes into great depth showing just
>>what Crisman's real role was in the incident. Especially,
>>misleading Arnold.

>>To my mind, and knowing Thomas' work, the subject of Maury
>>Island incident and the personalities involved were covered to
>>my satisfaction. I can't think of another aspect that would
>>bring forward additional facts.

>Does Thomas mention Crisman's gunfight with the Deros of Shaver
>mystery fame? Does he note that Crisman sent a letter to Ray
>Palmer in 1946 claiming inside knowledge of the Deros?

>Does he note that Haldor Dahl, who owned the North Queen, the
>vessel that he thought of as the salvage ship didn't belong to
>Harold Dahl, and that Thomas thought it was a typographical
>error? He didn't bother to find out if there was a Haldor Dahl
>(who, BTW, was one of the owners of Tacoma Boat Building Company
>which had originally built the boat for the Navy during the war
>and bought it back when the war ended.

>Does he mention that Crisman claimed to have been awarded the
>Distinguished Service Cross but that his name does not appear in
>any of the databases which list the names of all those who have
>been awarded it?

>Does he mention that Dahl's son, who was supposedly injured when
>the UFO began spewing slag denies the event happened and that no
>one, except Ray Palmer, ever claimed to have seen the hospital

>I bring all this up simply because it points to the truth of the
>Maury Island hoax... and yes, I now expect to have scorn heaped
>upon me for having the audacity of suggesting that this admitted
>hoax was, in fact, a hoax.


It has been a while since I read Kenn's book. Therefore, because
he has a really remarkable memory, if I were you, I would contact
him directly.

The only interesting information I took away from the book was
linked to a Major George Sander - the military contact who was
in Tacoma to question the survivors of the Davidson and Brown
plane crash. According to Thomas' research, Major Sander tried
to convince Arnold and, his co-investigator, Smith, that the
Maury Island incident was a hoax. I quote from the book:

"Sanders clearly wanted Smith and Arnold to believe that their
slag came from here (the Tacoma Smelting Company); Arnold even
suggested that Sanders might have tried to hypnotize them into
this belief." Thomas is quoting from Coming Of The Saucers.

Arnold thought that Major Sanders was a "smooth operator", but
wasn't smooth enough to convince Arnold that the fragments he
and Smith had weren't important. If Arnold thought Maury Island
was a hoax, that was not his opinion during his investigation.

And, yeah, I was surprised to find out Arnold was investigating
Maury Island because he was being paid by Ray Palmer. Wow, who

I don't remember the exact details, but remember reading and
being confused of the fact that Dahl didn't own the boat. I am
still not sure whether Thomas' research proved Fred Crisman was
the real owner or someone else.

My purposes for reading the book was the role Crisman played in
the JFK assassination. But, I was fascinated that Crisman had
been involved in a possible UFO event.

I would love to be sitting on the sidelines when, and if, you
ever go into dialog with Thomas. I am sure it would be an
enlightening conversation.


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