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Re: Ufology And Psychiatry - Summary

From: David Rudiak <drudiak.nul>
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 11:29:10 -0700
Archived: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 08:28:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Ufology And Psychiatry - Summary

>From: Eugene Frison <cthulhu_calls.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 12:01:05 -0500
>Subject: Re: Ufology And Psychiatry - Summary

>>From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <post.nul>
>>Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 18:51:34 +0100
>>Subject: Ufology And Psychiatry Summary

>>I hope, in future, that anyone thinking of accepting _any_
>>dictum from the psychiatry/psychology camp would think again.
>>Their words are about as reliable as politicians' promises - and
>>IMHO for the same reason: they are self-interested professional
>>liars (or fools, of course).

>This statement displays the same miserbly shallow understanding
>of Psychiatry and Psychology as your posts did regarding your
>understanding of the physiology and functioning of the eye and
>brain in the human perception process (so much more accurately
>described by David Rudiak) earlier on.

I suspect Ray belongs to the European postmodernist movement,
which drove my youngest son berserk when he was at Oxford
(apparently the universities there are overrun with
postmodernists). Basically it is a form of nihilism, arguing
that there is no absolute knowledge, all knowledge is
interpretation filtered through our minds, therefore (in the
most extreme versions), absolutely nothing can be trusted and
there are no truths.

While there is some "truth" in all this (it is rather hard to
argue that what we consider knowledge stands apart from our own
brains), it is often used to create sweeping indictments of all
knowledge and all experts. Thus we get posts from Ray that all
scientific theories are suspect or wrong, all our perceptions
are wrong or not to be trusted, or in this case, all
psychologists/psychiatrists are liars or fools or both. (Part of
this may derive from an overreaction to the arrogance and
rigidity of thinking that many experts in their field may

The irony in all this is that the validity of postmodernist
philosphy itself can be questioned on the same grounds, i.e.,
hung from its own petards. I'd like to think in the last few
thousand years that even with our own obvious mental limitations
and human deficiencies of character we have actually learned a
few truths, such as the Earth isn't flat and resting on the back
of a giant turtle. Isn't our present views of cosmology and
physics a bit more valid than that? The very fact that humans
have not gone extinct instead of becoming food for saber-tooth
tigers is some sort of testament to the accuracy of our
perceptual apparatus.

Ray doesn't strike me as a bad guy and often posts interesting
ideas, but he really needs to come off it a bit and not take his
own philosophical underpinnings too seriously. _Good_ scientists
have a certain degree of humility, realizing the limitations of
their own knowledge and theories and realize there may always be
a need for modification should the evidence justify it. No need
to accuse them of all being fools and all theories totally

David Rudiak

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