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Re: Ufology And Psychiatry - Summary

From: Kathy Kasten <catraja.nul>
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 19:17:38 +0000
Archived: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 06:01:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Ufology And Psychiatry - Summary


>From: William Treurniet <wtreurniet.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 10:52:26 -0400
>Subject: Re: Ufology And Psychiatry - Summary

<snip>

>>The irony in all this is that the validity of postmodernist
>>philosphy itself can be questioned on the same grounds, i.e.,
>>hung from its own petards. I'd like to think in the last few
>>thousand years that even with our own obvious mental limitations
>>and human deficiencies of character we have actually learned a
>>few truths, such as the Earth isn't flat and resting on the back
>>of a giant turtle. Isn't our present views of cosmology and
>>physics a bit more valid than that? The very fact that humans
>>have not gone extinct instead of becoming food for saber-tooth
>>tigers is some sort of testament to the accuracy of our
>>perceptual apparatus.

>>Ray doesn't strike me as a bad guy and often posts interesting
>>ideas, but he really needs to come off it a bit and not take his
>>own philosophical underpinnings too seriously. _Good_ scientists
>>have a certain degree of humility, realizing the limitations of
>>their own knowledge and theories and realize there may always be
>>a need for modification should the evidence justify it. No need
>>to accuse them of all being fools and all theories totally
>>invalid.

>The inability of scientists to recognize the limitations of
>their own knowledge, etc. is what I remember from many of Ray's
>contributions. I think you may be misrepresenting him a bit. Is
>this a manifestation of inattentional blindness? Indirect
>realism?

Note from a sideline Drooling Idiot:

Thanks William for bringing the discussion back to the point. In
my mind, at least. Of course, all the commentators to the
original post seem to be having a problem with their ability to
step back and realize most of their responses come off as
emotional - from the gut as it were. I am not saying that is
wrong, it is just a fact of the matter.

Me? I love reading Ray's comments. They are never boring or
reflecting the usual approach to ufo investigation. But, then,
my guess is that you all would toss me into the same bin as Ray.
But, before you do that think the move through. Sometimes, most
of you come off with a knee jerk reaction. It is as if you are
defending an indefensible position. Sometimes, it comes close to
simply name calling. Believe me, I know I am not above the fray.
I know that I sometimes enjoy sticking it to whoever is trying
to stick it to me. Onward, charge, blithely into the fray.


KK



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