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Re: Ufology And Psychiatry - Summary

From: Eugene Frison <cthulhu_calls.nul>
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:16:28 -0500
Archived: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 06:28:53 -0400
Subject: Re: Ufology And Psychiatry - Summary

>From: Kathy Kasten <catraja.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 19:17:38 +0000
>Subject: Re: Ufology And Psychiatry - Summary

>>From: William Treurniet <wtreurniet.nul>
>>To: post.nul
>>Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 10:52:26 -0400
>>Subject: Re: Ufology And Psychiatry - Summary

>>The inability of scientists to recognize the limitations of
>>their own knowledge, etc. is what I remember from many of Ray's
>>contributions. I think you may be misrepresenting him a bit. Is
>>this a manifestation of inattentional blindness? Indirect

>Thanks William for bringing the discussion back to the point. In
>my mind, at least. Of course, all the commentators to the
>original post seem to be having a problem with their ability to
>step back and realize most of their responses come off as
>emotional - from the gut as it were. I am not saying that is
>wrong, it is just a fact of the matter.

Since you said _all_ the commentators, I have to disagree.

Not a fact at all, Kathy. At least in my case, I know I am not
responding based on emotion. I usually just lurk and read the
various posts. I prefer to not get involved in the "fray" as you
termed it. This has been my strategy for a very long time. I
usually adhere to it. But every now and then someone says
something that is so blatently ignorant or stupid that I just
don't let it pass without comment - because it needs to be put
in proper perspective and not because of any "from the gut"
emotional reaction.

Saying someone has made a dumb remark is not tantamount to
calling that person dumb. I say dumb things quite often and _do_
dumb things just as often. Yet I am far from dumb.

>Me? I love reading Ray's comments. They are never boring or
>reflecting the usual approach to ufo investigation. But, then,
>my guess is that you all would toss me into the same bin as Ray.
>But, before you do that think the move through. Sometimes, most
>of you come off with a knee jerk reaction. It is as if you are
>defending an indefensible position. Sometimes, it comes close to
>simply name calling. Believe me, I know I am not above the fray.
>I know that I sometimes enjoy sticking it to whoever is trying
>to stick it to me. Onward, charge, blithely into the fray.

I usually love reading Ray's posts too. And I often agree with
him. I haven't tossed him into any bin.

Regarding name calling, I began each and every one of my posts
with Ray's actual name. Never anything else. It was Ray who did
not provide me with the same courtesy and called me "friend" and
it was obvious from the way he used that term in the sentence
that it was in a demeaning context.

Psychology is full of problems. I have been conceding this since
the beginning. It is full of people using unproven tenets of the
field in completely subjective interpretations and applications.
It is full of conflicting systems.

But it _is_ a science. It does use proper scientific
methodology. It has produced and continues to produce valuable
and verifiable data. A lot of what it has come up with is
directly applicable to the study of ufos. UFO researchers who do
not apply certain psychological knowledge during ufo
investigation are not as thorough as they need to be. The
primary instrument in the study of ufo phenomenon is the
witness. Every instrument needs to be properly calibrated. This
is where psychology makes its contribution to the study of ufos.
It helps calibrate the human witness.

The problems in psychology exist. Nobody is disputing this. But
some people want to throw the whole field out. That's wrong.
That simply can't be justified. It won't ever happen. Psychology
will continue to exist, improve itself, and make contributions
that will affect the ufo field -  no matter how many ufo
researchers disdain it, drag their feet when it comes to
accepting it, or stick their heads in the sand to ignore it.

Psychology _does_ have some valuable understanding of the human
being, of the human mind. It has obtained this through good
science and proper methodology. You can't dismiss this. To
attempt to do so is the only "defending an indefensible
position' that is occuring.

Eugene Frison

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