From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 16:41:24 +0100 Archived: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 20:44:30 -0400 Subject: QM Consciousness & Para [was: Finding ET May >From: Eleanor White <ewraven1.nul> >To: post.nul >Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 16:52:08 -0400 >Subject: Re: Finding ET May Require Giant Robotic Leap >>From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <post.nul> >>Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 17:57:50 +0100 >>Subject: Finding ET May Require Giant Robotic Leap >>http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/04/120418162300.htm >>Communicating with infrared lasers is communicating at the >>speed of light, which is the fastest we can hope to achieve. >As long as science keeps insisting that ESP and like phenomena >are nonsense. Gotta keep with that 1940s science, you know. Hello Eleanor Fully agree and think that we will find a way around the speed- of-light limit on information transfer by QM entanglement, Which would also free up the (possible) matter-transfer via signals. FYI, after reading your post had two lucky coincidences, thanks to the Daily Grail: http://www.dailygrail.com/ The first was updating myself on news of Roger Penrose's further developing of his 'microtubules and (QM) consciousness' theories, in collaboration with Stuart Hameroff and colleagues at: http://tinyurl.com/co4bpvf Quantum Physics And Consciousness The complete report is worth a read, and ends with some surprising speculations. [Quotation Begins] "There are interesting philosophical consequences. Firstly, if it is true that quantum superposition and decoherence in microtubules play a role in consciousness, and microtubules act as information processing units, then we will have to wait a bit longer for the supposed singularity that is projected if Moore's Law is followed. Secondly, if quantum superposition and decoherence and Hamerhoff and Penrose's model is correct then some form of panpsychism or panproto-experientialism may be true. Consciousness on this view is a foundational, irreducible component of reality. Or as Hamerhoff states it "Consciousness or its 'proto-conscious' precursors are thus somehow built into the structure of the universe-a view that we might label pan-protopsychism" and "Consciousness is a sequence of transitions, of ripples in fundamental spacetime geometry, connected to the brain through Orch OR". Some call it materialism on steroids, other call it a form of idealism. Say whatever you want about the theory, it certainly is interesting. Whenever a scientist of Penrose's caliber endorses something then it is probably worth looking into even if you ultimately do not find it or its philosophical implications convincing." [Quotation Ends] QM consciousness allowing connections by ripples in spacetime? If that wasn't enough, next came to a review of 'Science and Psychic Phenomena' by Chris Carter, where apparently most of the hard evidence cited was obtained by scientists. This review also finishes with a flourish. [Quotation Begins] "Carter goes on to describe a time-displaced PK experiment by physicist Helmut Schmidt, in which signals from a binary random event generator were recorded simultaneously on two cassette tapes, without anyone listening to them. One tape was given to a subject to listen to, with instructions to produce more 0s or 1s (usually in the form of clicks on the left or right of stereo headphones). When the results were analysed the influence of PK was observed. However the results also matched the other tape, which had been untouched. One interpretation is that PK reached back in time to when the random events were originally generated. But a more interesting possibility, consistent with the Von Neumann interpretation, and put forward by Schmidt and his co-experimenters, is that events are not physically real until there has been an observation. From this viewpoint, the PK effort would not have to reach into the past because nature had not yet decided on the outcome before the PK subject, the first observer, saw the result. Then, the PK effort should no longer succeed if we have some other observer look at the pre-recorded data previous to the PK subject's attempt. [An] experiment to study this situation ... has, indeed, reported a blocking of the PK effect by a previous observation. The Von Neumann theory inevitably tends to invite quasi-theological speculation. What happened before there were conscious observers? If consciousness was needed to create humans - as conscious observers - then God or supernatural beings enter the equation. Carter quotes quantum theorist Euan Squires: It is remarkable that such ideas should arise from a study of the behavior of the most elementary of systems. That such systems point to a world beyond themselves is a fact that will be loved by all who believe that there are truths of which we know little, that there are mysteries seen only by mystics, and that there are phenomena inexplicable within our normal view of what is possible. There is no harm in this - physics indeed points to the unknown. The emphasis, however, must be on the unknown, on the mystery, on the truths dimly glimpsed, on things inexpressible except in the language of poetry, or religion, or metaphor." [Quotation Ends] So it seems some capable and hard-headed physicists are now venturing where 'skeptics' fear to tread. Cheers Ray D Listen to 'Strange Days... Indeed' - The PodCast At: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/sdi/program/ These contents above are copyright of the author and UFO UpDates - Toronto. 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