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Re: Ufology And Psychiatry - Summary

From: Eugene Frison <cthulhu_calls.nul>
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 19:06:42 -0500
Archived: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 08:32:07 -0400
Subject: Re: Ufology And Psychiatry - Summary

>From: Cathy Reason <Cathym.nul>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <post.nul>
>Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 11:42:17 +0100
>Subject: Re: Ufology And Psychiatry - Summary

>>From: William Treurniet <wtreurniet.nul>
>>To: post.nul
>>Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 14:05:17 -0400
>>Subject: Re: Ufology And Psychiatry - Summary

>>The comment that the unreliability of human perception is an
>>assumption is demonstrably wrong given the oft-demonstrated
>>variability in relevant experimental data.

>We can see how this sort of circular reasoning operates in the
>case of visual illusions.

No. The only thing we can see here is you bringing a lot of
allegations into the discussion but when they are countered you
ignore the information presented that counters them. You make
proclamations but don't provide a shred of data or reference to
back them up.

I, on the other hand, have taken every remark you have made in
all of your posts and addressed them, without skipping any. I
have provided you with sound reasons and examples showing why I
believe they successfully oppose your allegations. You have
ignored every one of them. You simply continue to harp about the
evils of Cognitivism and how statistics and the use of
operationalisms, although perfectly acceptable in other
sciences, are not possible to employ in psychology without bad
results. You simply cannot see that some of Cognitivisms
premises are very solid - established by fields outside
psychology - and _are_ a basis for proceeding from, and when
further experimentation by psychological researchers produce
data that supports the initial premise it is a case of more
evidence being added to the pile.

>To the vision researcher, these offer an opportunity to examine
>the mechanisms by which the brain extracts information from the
>visual world. By constructing experimental artifacts, one can
>test hypotheses based on how the visual system behaves in highly
>novel and constrained situations.

What vision researchers? What are these mechanisms by which the
brain extracts information from the visual world? What
experimental artifacts? What hypotheses are being tested on how
the visual system behaves in highly novel and constrained ways?
Can you tell us what these novel and constrained ways are? What
have these tests reveiled about how the visual system behaves in
novel and constrained ways? Don't just claim something _is_.
Give us something we can sink our teeth into.

>Psychologists on the other hand proceed from the premise that
>all human perception is unreliable. The purpose of all
>experiments is then to provide an ever-lengthening list of
>examples of unreliable perception. It matters not that these
>examples are largely artifacts - the premise dictates the

This premise that human perception is unreliable is based on a
lot of data that has come in from several fields in science, not
just psychology. It is pretty solid. That is why psychologists
proceed from it.

Experiment is then providing more evidence that confirms the

I have said this so many times already that I'm sure every
person on this List reading this thread is going to start saying
it in their sleep. Presented solid data to support why I contend
its solid too. But you continue to ignore this information and
just continue to allege it's an unsupportable and unsupported

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