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Re: Ufology And Psychiatry - Summary

From: William Treurniet <wtreurniet.nul>
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 17:04:01 -0400
Archived: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 05:30:07 -0400
Subject: Re: Ufology And Psychiatry - Summary

>From: Eugene Frison <cthulhu_calls.nul>
>Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 15:17:13 -0500
>Subject: Re: Ufology And Psychiatry - Summary

>>From: William Treurniet<wtreurniet.nul>
>>To: post.nul
>>Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 13:21:13 -0400
>>Subject: Re: Ufology And Psychiatry - Summary


>>A psychological theory of F.W.H. Myers published around 1900 is
>>very clear in assuming that the contents of conscious awareness
>>is a small part of a large sea of mostly unconscious
>>information. The mind implements filters that allow more or less
>>of this information into awareness. This theory has been
>>resurrected by Kelly et al. (2007) in "Irreducible Mind: Toward
>>a Psychology for the 21st Century". Maybe this is a sign that
>>psychology is getting back on track. Myers' theory lost traction
>>against the push of behaviourism probably because it assumed a
>>mind-body dualism. But such dualism is obvious based on
>>phenomenological arguments, so it has to be part of a
>>comprehensive theory of psychology.

>>I used a version of Myers' theory in an article on another topic


>>Figure 1 in the article shows a schematic diagram of a dualistic
>>mind-brain model where the brain is the interface between the
>>physical world and the mind. The mind is also connected to a
>>non-material information field where personal and transpersonal
>>information is stored. If the transpersonal information is
>>accessible to all minds, we can account for shared archetypal
>>experiences, including those reported by people abducted by
>>fairies or ETs.

>Great stuff, William! You have certainly helped to make the
>subjects we are discussing clearer. More of the meat and
>potatoes that I complained Cathy wasn't serving.

>I pointed to F. W. H. Myers in an earlier post. I referenced him
>because his work can provide information useful to this
>discussion and to ufo study.

>His 'Human Personality and its Survival of Bodily Death' was
>first published in February of 1903 then again in March and June
>of that year. It was printed again in September of 1904. Those
>editions each consisted of two (very thick) volumes and were
>published by Longmans, Green, and Co. My copy of this work was
>published in September of 1904. After that date, it was
>published as an abridged one volume affair.

>The only thing in your comments above that I begin to somewhat
>disagree with is the remark saying that "the mind is connected
>to a non-material information field." I am suspect of the word
>"connected" as I am more inclined to side with views similiar to
>those of individuals like David Chalmers - that consciousness
>will be discovered to be a fundamental entity in the universe,
>being of the nature of the charge in subatomic particles, and
>not subject to being broken down into more basic units. In that
>case, I think "contains" as opposed to "connected to" would be a
>more accurate description.

Like you, Eugene, I have come to believe that consciousness is
fundamental and that it somehow participates in the continuous
creation of the material world. The psychological model I
described was not meant to make a statement about consciousness
as it actually is, so don't read too much into my use of the
word "connected".

The model was intended to describe processes in material and
non-material components of a consciousness system. It is an
information processing model in some respects, for example, when
energy from the senses is encoded in one level for transfer to
another level. There, the information may be transcoded to
phenomenological symbols corresponding to our experiences. It is
also a symbol processing model when, for example, such symbols
and their relationships are employed in problem solving tasks
(e.g., solving Rubik's cube), or tucked away as a memory in the
information field.

In the context of my earlier discussion about the (non)reality
of models, I should hasten to add that the 'real' consciousness
system may or may not have the structure represented by the
model. But I would expect it to have the functionality that the
model implies.


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