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Re: Greer Probes 'Dead Alien'

From: John Velez <jvelez49.nul>
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 14:18:14 -0400
Archived: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 15:52:51 -0400
Subject: Re: Greer Probes 'Dead Alien'

>From: A. J. Gevaerd  - Revista UFO <aj.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 09:23:07 -0300
>Subject: Re: Greer Probes 'Dead Alien'

>>From: John Velez <jvelez49.nul>
>>To: post.nul
>>Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 18:52:08 -0400
>>Subject: Re: Greer Probes 'Dead Alien'

>>>From: A. J. Gevaerd - Revista UFO <aj.nul>
>>>To: <post.nul>
>>>Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 11:56:30 -0300
>>>Subject: Re: Greer Probes 'Dead Alien'


>>>Seriously? If so, I am amazed to see how far can Greer go.

>>Stephen Greer, like his simulacrum, The Joker, is an agent of chaos.

>Very interesting input, John.

>Some hoaxers are in it for money, others for fame, others for
>power, others for women (yes), etc. Some are in it for the
>combination of it all. And some don't care about money, but do
>about power for instance.

>However, Greer has shown to exercise a particular agenda. I am
>sure he is in it for a lot of what I wrote above, but there is
>more in his actions that makes me believe that he is what you
>described: an agent of chaos.


Hi AJ,

Long time no speak.

People that know me are aware that I usually mean what I say. My
comment was not flippant in any way (or intended to be.) The
public has a short memory.

John Alexander wrote that when Greer arrived on the scene in the
90's attempts at disclosure/congressional hearings was already
well under way. Mr. Alexander informs us that several senators
were a part of the discussions and more were being approached
and brought on-board. The timing of Greer's appearance on the
scene with his own very noisy and public CSETI* sponsored
Disclosure Project (*scam; three ring circus) the senators ran
for the hills and all the talks fell apart. The 'real'
disclosure effort was completely thwarted by Greer's grab for
public attention. He introduced a side-show quality to the
proceedings that sent the more serious people involved running
for safety. Who wants to be associated with a clown show?

Greer was flying around in private jets in those days. Private
jets are expensive. There was never any 'disclosure' about his
own funding sources.


Stephen Greer went to Scotland in the 90's and absconded
with/ripped off, a UFO video that belonged to a couple of
Scottish UFO researchers. After a conference, Greer had grabbed
the tape out of one of the researchers hotel rooms, boarded his
private Jet and headed home. The Scots immediately appealed to
US UFO research people to help them get their video tape back
from Greer. He was eventually publicly embarrassed into giving
it back. But it was like pulling teeth to get Greer to do the
right thing.

Greer's organization, CSETI is a sucker scam. Greer used to
charge over $400, (not sure what he's charging these days) for
people to join CSETI and participate in their attempts at alien
contact out in the field. (Literally! Cow pastures etc.)

Budd Hopkins once shared a revealing anecdote with me about
Greer and his 'summoning of UFOs' at one of these CSETI field
trips; Greer would suddenly shout out, "There's one over there!"
According to Budd, there was _nothing_ there to be seen. But his
group of CSETI-ers would be frantically running around in the
cow pasture at night signalling the sky with their flash-lights
and hoping to catch a glimpse of the alien visitor. Those prople
should have all known better. Anytime you spend $400 to do
something and all you end up with is cow-flop on your cowboy
boots... you need to re-think what you're doing.

There is nothing that is associated with Stephen Greer that
isn't tainted with dis-information, deception, or outright
chicanery. The very definition of an agent of chaos. If
_anybody_ works for a group or organization that is hell-bent on
creating a circus atmosphere around anything related to UFOs, it
is Stephen Greer.

AJ, I hope this note finds you and yours happy, healthy and
prospering. Some things just need restating from time to time.
Amnesia of the public.

Warm regards,


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