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Re: Nick Pope's Credibility Blown

From: Gildas Bourdais <bourdais.gildas.nul>
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 11:15:52 +0200
Archived: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 06:31:31 -0400
Subject: Re: Nick Pope's Credibility Blown


>From: Joe McGonagle <joe.mcgonagle.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 23:56:42 +0100
>Subject: Re: Nick Pope's Credibility Blown

>I struggle to understand why anyone thought Nick Pope had any
>credibility to start with.

>This is the man who still pushes the "Cosford incident" as
>unexplained, when in fact there is an obvious explanation for the
>majority of the reports on 31st March 1993.

>http://www.uk-ufo.org/cosford

>The same man who discussed an obvious image of a gull as "If I
>was still there [on the UFO desk] I'd be looking at this very
>closely. The object looks structured, symmetrical and metallic.
>This man has caught something very interesting indeed."

>http://tinyurl.com/d7rkvta

>The same man who claims to have investigated Alien abductions,
>crop circles, and animal mutilations for the British Government
>when he was "in charge of" "the British Government's UFO
>Project", when according to the head of his department in 1997;

>"Turning specifically to your comments concerning Mr Pope, I
>should point out that he was a junior desk officer in the
>Secretariat(Air Staff)2a section from 1991-1994 and was not in
>charge of, or the head of any part of Secretariat (Air Staff)2.
>Mr Pope was an executive officer and shared the support of one
>administrative officer.  Although Sec(AS)2a was, and still is,
>the focal point for handling queries directed at the MOD in
>connection with "unexplained" aerial sightings, during Mr Pope's
>time such work represented a small part of his overall duties.
>There were no staff working on this subject on a full-time basis
>and this remains the case."
>(DEFE24/2000 page 43)

>and according to one of his successors, Linda Unwin;

>http://tinyurl.com/3xxjglv

>"The first point to make is that there is no 'UFO Project'.
>Handling of UFO sightings is a very small element of our work."

>The same man who wrote about his own role while he was still in-
>post; "There is no specific "UFO budget", excepting the staff
>costs, i.e. around 20% of my salary, together with a tiny
>percentage of some other salaries, reflecting my line
>management's supervisory role." (DEFE24/1967 p.84)

>The man who tried to persuade the Army Air Corps and the Royal
>Navy not to take photographs of crop formations from helicopters
>to help researchers (and was told quite firmly to get lost by
>both services). (DEFE24/1955 p.24)

>The same man who continues to portray the radiation readings as
>hard evidence of something unusual at Rendlesham forest when in
>fact the readings are meaningless.

>http://www.ufoupdateslist.com/2001/oct/m10-006.shtml

>and

>http://www.ufoupdateslist.com/2001/oct/m12-010.shtml)

>The same man who espouses that all governments and UFO
>researchers should disclose their records, yet writes to the MoD
>with the intention of suppressing any material concerning his own
>activities within the UFO field.

>http://tinyurl.com/994tz7t

>I could go on, including examples of failing to credit the work
>of other people, more examples of "best ever" or "very
>interesting" images or incidents with obvious explanations,
>false accusations of dishonesty, and so on, but that would make
>a book-length article.

>In spite of all of the above, many people still fail to see
>through his shallow veneer, while others prefer to simply ignore
>it. In the end, ufology gets what it deserves.


Hello Nick and the List,

This rant of Joe McGonagle is a good reminder of the positive
role that you  have played in ufology - please, keep doing that!
It's also a reminder that the British skeptics, or sceptics, are
still there, ready to shoot on any silly occasion. We have those
sort of people in France, too.


Best Regards,

Gildas Bourdais



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