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Re: Greer Sabotaged 'Real' Disclosure

From: Steven Kaeser <steve.nul>
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:18:02 -0400
Archived: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 09:19:39 -0400
Subject: Re: Greer Sabotaged 'Real' Disclosure

>From: Dave Haith <visions1.nul>
>To: UFO UpDates <post.nul>
>Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 21:29:29 +0100
>Subject: Greer Sabotaged 'Real' Disclosure [was: Greer Probes Dead Alien]

>>From: John Velez <jvelez49.nul>
>>To: post.nul
>>Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 18:52:08 -0400
>>Subject: Re: Greer Probes 'Dead Alien'

>>John Alexander wrote that when Greer arrived on the scene in the
>>90's attempts at disclosure/congressional hearings was already
>>well under way. Mr. Alexander informs us that several senators
>>were a part of the discussions and more were being approached
>>and brought on-board. The timing of Greer's appearance on the
>>scene with his own very noisy and public CSETI* sponsored
>>Disclosure Project (*scam; three ring circus) the senators ran
>>for the hills and all the talks fell apart.

>>The 'real' disclosure effort was completely thwarted by Greer's
>>grab for public attention. He introduced a side-show quality to the
>>proceedings that sent the more serious people involved running
>>for safety. Who wants to be associated with a clown show?

>John, I find this notion of Greer thwarting some 'real'
>disclosure effort a little hard to believe.

>Isn't Alexander's latest view that the US government holds no
>UFO secrets and that there is no 'cover-up?

>So what would these 'real' disclosures, have disclosed?

Hi Dave,

If you think that it took Greer to come along and try to resolve
this "Secrecy" issue for us local folks in the DC area,
you're... er... mistaken. As you may be aware, NICAP began in
Washington DC in the 50's and many (like Richard Hall, Don
Berliner, Bruce Macabbee, etc.) were still in this area working
with local people to see what the best course of action might

Just to be clear, I have been here on Capitol Hill for more than
27 years, and was here when Greer first set up his Congressional
Disclosure hearings, which weren't 'officially' attended by any
actual Member or staff. Indeed, I waa able to find one staffer
who had gone to one of his sessions, and she was extremely upset
when I contacted her via House email, apparently afraid it would
get back to her boss. Greer, meanwhile, claimed to have met with
Congressional Leaders in House and Senate offices, but no one on
the inside has ever acknowledged such a meeting. They may have
taken place, but in the end, who cares? Nothing happened and
nothing was proven.

During this time period, I have worked with the Fund for UFO
Research as part of the Executive Committee, and as I came on
board I learned of their involvement with Dr. Greer. Let me
simply say that the relationship did not last when they read
some of his web site articles about the alien's intent and
goals, which was more than a group that based on scientific
ideals could take.

Later a strong legal warning had to be issued to him to cease
the distribution of material that had been developed by the UFO
Rsearch Coalition.

So, this isn't a 'researcher' that any of the long time
ufologists want to get involved with. Of course, the historical
researchers have taken a back seat to the Internet and Greer has
a lot of followers to attract there.

The problem with the Disclosure Project is that it had the same
problems as the earlier Congressional efforts, in that there was
simply no interest in this subject in an official capacity. They
finally gave up trying to hold them downtown, since they
couldn't get Congressional interest to any great extent, and a
couple of annual events were held nearby in Maryland. They were
large events, but too costly and I believe they had problems
last time.

You asked about earlier efforts, and I think you would find that
there had been discussions going on in the background with
several Senators in the 90's to hold hearings on the overuse of
Secrecy in Washington, of which the subject of UFO secrecy could
be explored and discussed.

The idea was to get a discussion going on a subject that was
related and work with that, but Washington is too political, and
you can't plan that far ahead. How do you get support for a
esoteric subject like "secrecy" when more important issues like
the economy and was in the Middle East keep getting in the way.
And it would be even worse for a controversial subject like
'UFOs', which there would be even less reason to investigate.

I am a computer engineer for the House, and don't get out to
meet with Staffers a lot these days. But in years gone by, I
knew of a lot of interest in the subject among staff, and a few
Members of the House. However, none had the political will to
open that can of worms up and see what might happen.

The late Congressman Steven Schiff tried to get an official
inquiry going with the GSA. but it found out very little and
there was no pressure to take it further. If he had been able to
find support, he could have held hearings on the missing
messages and turned over a few stones there. But, I'm not sure
it would have led anywhere.

I don't believe that Dr. Greer sabotaged 'Real' Disclosure, and
I believe he is sincere in his beliefs. But efforts like his
(and a few others) have touted great success and left little in
their wake to show for it.


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