From: Martin Shough <parcellular.nul> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 17:28:30 +0100 Archived: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 16:29:00 -0400 Subject: Re: Socorro Again >From: Michael Tarbell <mtarbell.nul> >To: post.nul >Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 14:27:07 -0600 >Subject: Re: Socorro Again >>From: Herb Taylor<herbufo.nul> >>To: post.nul >>Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 09:03:28 -0400 (EDT) >>Subject: Re: Socorro Again <snip> >Perhaps then the coy Dr. Colgate can comment on the following, >which I think most would consider at least as much a "point of >substance" as any of the above, excerpted from a 28 May 1964 >letter from USAF Col. Eric de Jonckheere to Hq USAF SAFOI PB, >Washington DC: >"_Soil_Samples_: The soil samples obtained at the sighting were >given to Dr J Allen Hynek by Capt Holder. They were turned over >to Captain Quintanilla who in turn submitted them to ASD for >analysis. Laboratory analysis of the soil was completed on 19 >May 64. It included spectrographic analysis which revealed that >there was no foreign material in the soil samples. Also, no >chemicals were detected in the charred or burned soil which >would indicate a type of propellant. There was no significant >difference in elemental composition between the different >samples." >So in whatever sense the "nature of the charred bushes" may >"mimic the presence of pyrothechnics" (as in, they were >charred?), there were evidently no pyrotechnics, or associated >combustion products, detectable at the site. Just to expand on this point: It was noted that the mesquite bush in the middle of the marks had been "sliced in half" by whatever burned it. Separation between burned and unburned areas was abrupt, not, it was felt, like the way an ordinary fire would spread. In this sense the pattern could be said to "mimic pyrotechnics" - in the way that any directed and localised jet of hot flame(plasma)/gas/sparks - such as a chemical rocket or acetylene flame or the "flame" that Zamora saw - "mimics pyrotechnics". this is not really interesting. The only ostensibly interesting evidence for "pyrotechnics" was Bragalia's claim that the scorched cardboard must have been from the discarded tubes of pyrotechnic devices (basically fireworks). But this is nonsense. It was just a bit of weathered old corrugated packing paper blown from the town dump, that Hynek said had been there through "many rains". The ordinariness of the soil chemistry bears emphasising. The Air Force minerals science lab report tested multiple samples from different areas for "comparison", presumably (although this is not stated) some from within the trace site and some from without. As Mike points out, there was "no significant difference". The actual element abundances were: Principle element - Si; Other main elements - Mg, Al, Fe, Na, K, Ca; Minor or trace elements - Mn, Ti. Some of these are used in pyrotechnic flash powders etc (as they are in thousands of applications) but they are all commonplace constituents of surface soils across the western US which are about 30% silicon with the rest (and many more of course) in these same approximate proportions.* The only thing that seems at all noteworthy to me is the trace amount of manganese when average concentrations in the US west are quite high - about 380 ppm; but it isn't surprising because it occurs concentrated in lodes or seams of oxide ore and actual concentrations across New Mexico vary from <2 to about 7000 ppm*. In any case a very low manganese concentration is the opposite of what the "pyrotechnic" theory would predict (this is used as a retardant to delay burning rates). And, to re-emphasise, the most important point is the "comparison" of samples from different parts of the area, finding no significant difference. Martin Shough (* Element Concentrations in Soils and Other Surficial Materials of the Conterminous United States By Hansford T. Shacklette and Josephine G. Boerngen U.S. Geological Survey Professional Paper 1270, 1984) Listen to 'Strange Days... Indeed' - The PodCast At: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/sdi/program/ These contents above are copyright of the author and UFO UpDates - Toronto. They may not be reproduced without the express permission of both parties and are intended for educational use only.
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