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Re: Fundamentalist Religion & ET Intelligence

From: Elsie Conner <elsie_conner.nul>
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 22:01:48 -0400
Archived: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:41:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Fundamentalist Religion & ET Intelligence

>From: David Rudiak <drudiak.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:08:08 -0700
>Subject: Re: Fundamentalist Religion & ET Intelligence

>>From: Elsie Conner <elsie_conner.nul>
>>To: <post.nul>
>>Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 22:55:32 -0400
>>Subject: Re: Fundamentalist Religion & ET Intelligence

>>>From: Gerald O'Connell <goc.nul>
>>>To: <post.nul>
>>>Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 13:38:44 +0100
>>>Subject: Re: Fundamentalist Religion & ET Intelligence

>>>>From: Elsie Conner <elsie_conner.nul>
>>>>To: <post.nul>
>>>>Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 17:28:03 -0400
>>>>Subject: Fundamentalist Religion & ET Intelligence

>>>>This is the first three parts of a multi-part study regarding the
>>>>relationships between extraterrestrial life and fundamentalist

>>>>These initial three articles cover five different surveys of the
>>>>possible impact that certain knowledge of alien civilization would
>>>>have upon organized Religion.

>>As I started this study I planned to address the Christian
>>fundamentalist view on ETI specifically. But as I was doing the
>>research, I discovered a rich and diverse history of religious views on
>>the question of ETI that went back centuries.

>>My review led to more papers on the subject from both theologians and

>>For the next installment, I plan to talk about the historical
>>background of religious views on ETI. Then there will be a discussion
>>of some published papers on ETI, and lastly, I will wrap up with the
>>actual fundamentalist view of ETI along with some of my own personal

>Elsie, you may already know this, but the Vatican around 1953
>already went on the record saying they had no problem with the
>idea of extraterrestrial beings.

>Here's a quote from a 1953 book, Space Travel, by Kenneth W.
>Gatland and Anthony M. Kunesch (pp. 72-73):

>"The idea of travel between the planets gathered tremendous
>interest as a result of the 'flying saucer' stories which, in
>recent years, have lent colour and romance to the possibility of
>life existing on other worlds. Even the Vatican saw fit to
>release this statement on the phenomenon [In an article by Father
>D. Grasso, published in 'Civilica Cattolica', approved by the Pope]:

>Some experts believe flying saucers are manned by space- dwellers.
>This theory cannot be rejected a priori because experimental
>science does not exclude with absolute certainty the possibility
>of human life outside of earth.

>Maybe there are beings of anatomical and physiological constitution
>notably different from ours, capable of resisting conditions of a
>different environment but always composed of a body and a soul
>so as to fall under the definition of human beings.

>If, in more or less the near future, science should be able to
>ascertain the existence of human beings in the worlds outside
>the earth, neither dogma nor theology would find themselves in

>"If space-dwellers are human beings in our sense," 'they
>certainly would not be part of the human family, whose progenitor
>is Adam, since their origin could not be explained by the emigration
>of Earth-men.

>Consequently, they would not be tainted by original sin, at least
>not by that one committed by Adam, nor would they have been
>redeemed by Jesus Christ who came to earth to retrieve original sin.

>The inhabitants of the outer worlds, if they exist, are not subject
>too the destiny of Adam and his descendants."

>I also came across this or a similar Vatican statement in a
>newspaper article from this period, but I would have to look it
>up again.

Hi David,

Thank you for the passage from the Space Travel book by Kenneth
Gatland and Anthony Kunesch. I did not have that one among my
resources. I know statements have been attributed to the
Vatican about ETI over the years but the date, clarity,
comprehensiveness, and strength of the connection to the Pope
lend this special significance.

The comment about original sin is a controversial one. I have
several papers by theologians debating whether other life in
the Universe would suffer original sin. I remember a paper in
which a theologian argued that perhaps other life would not
fail as Adam had. There is so much to be written about this
topic that I know I will not be able to give it complete justice
in my first series of articles on the subject. If you happen to
come across any further articles about the Vatican and ETI, I
would be interested in hearing about them.

I really appreciate the quotes, and plan to pick up a copy of
the Space Travel book. Kenneth Gatland looks to have been a
very interesting individual.


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