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Re: Fundamentalist Religion & ET Intelligence

From: David Rudiak <drudiak.nul>
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 10:57:28 -0700
Archived: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 06:44:56 -0400
Subject: Re: Fundamentalist Religion & ET Intelligence


>From: Elsie Conner <elsie_conner.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 22:01:48 -0400
>Subject: Re: Fundamentalist Religion & ET Intelligence

>>From: David Rudiak <drudiak.nul>
>>To: post.nul
>>Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:08:08 -0700
>>Subject: Re: Fundamentalist Religion & ET Intelligence

>>>From: Elsie Conner <elsie_conner.nul>
>>>To: <post.nul>
>>>Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 22:55:32 -0400
>>>Subject: Re: Fundamentalist Religion & ET Intelligence

>>>>From: Gerald O'Connell <goc.nul>
>>>>To: <post.nul>
>>>>Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 13:38:44 +0100
>>>>Subject: Re: Fundamentalist Religion & ET Intelligence

>>>>>From: Elsie Conner <elsie_conner.nul>
>>>>>To: <post.nul>
>>>>>Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 17:28:03 -0400
>>>>>Subject: Fundamentalist Religion & ET Intelligence

><snip>
>>Elsie, you may already know this, but the Vatican around 1953
>>already went on the record saying they had no problem with the
>>idea of extraterrestrial beings.

>>Here's a quote from a 1953 book, Space Travel, by Kenneth W.
>>Gatland and Anthony M. Kunesch (pp. 72-73):

>>The idea of travel between the planets gathered tremendous
>>interest as a result of the 'flying saucer' stories which, in
>>recent years, have lent colour and romance to the possibility of
>>life existing on other worlds. Even the Vatican saw fit to
>>release this statement on the phenomenon [In an article by Father
>>D. Grasso, published in 'Civilica Cattolica', approved by the Pope]:

>>"Some experts believe flying saucers are manned by space- dwellers.
>>This theory cannot be rejected a priori because experimental
>>science does not exclude with absolute certainty the possibility
>>of human life outside of earth.

>>"Maybe there are beings of anatomical and physiological constitution
>>notably different from ours, capable of resisting conditions of a
>>different environment but always composed of a body and a soul
>>so as to fall under the definition of human beings.

>>"If, in more or less the near future, science should be able to
>>ascertain the existence of human beings in the worlds outside
>>the earth, neither dogma nor theology would find themselves in
>>difficulties.

>>If space-dwellers are human beings in our sense, "they
>>certainly would not be part of the human family, whose progenitor
>>is Adam, since their origin could not be explained by the emigration
>>of Earth-men."

>>"Consequently, they would not be tainted by original sin, at least
>>not by that one committed by Adam, nor would they have been
>>redeemed by Jesus Christ who came to earth to retrieve original sin.

>>"The inhabitants of the outer worlds, if they exist, are not subject
>>too the destiny of Adam and his descendants."

>>I also came across this or a similar Vatican statement in a
>>newspaper article from this period, but I would have to look it
>>up again.

>Thank you for the passage from the Space Travel book by Kenneth
>Gatland and Anthony Kunesch. I did not have that one among my
>resources. I know statements have been attributed to the
>Vatican about ETI over the years but the date, clarity,
>comprehensiveness, and strength of the connection to the Pope
>lend this special significance.

>The comment about original sin is a controversial one. I have
>several papers by theologians debating whether other life in
>the Universe would suffer original sin. I remember a paper in
>which a theologian argued that perhaps other life would not
>fail as Adam had. There is so much to be written about this
>topic that I know I will not be able to give it complete justice
>in my first series of articles on the subject. If you happen to
>come across any further articles about the Vatican and ETI, I
>would be interested in hearing about them.

OK Elsie. I found the news article, the Sydney Australia Sunday
Herald, Nov. 2, 1952, page 1, talking about the same Vatican
statement, text below. This pins down the date of release of the
statement to Nov. 1, 1952. I will also send you a copy of the
article by email.

-----

Vatican View On Space Inhabitants

STAFF CORRESPONDENT AND A.A.P.

ROME, Nov. 1-- A Vatican pronouncement says that Roman Catholics
are free to accept or deny the existence of dwellers of space.

The pronouncement appears in "Civilta Cattolica," a fort-nightly
publication of the Jesuit Order. The Pope scrutinizes the
articles in this journal before publication.

It says that the question of whether human beings can live on
sidereal bodies has been raised again by the strange phenomenon
of the "flying saucers."

NO DIFFICULTY

"If science should be able to ascertain the existence of human
beings in worlds outside the earth, neither dogma nor theology
would find themselves in difficulty," it says.

"Inhabitants of outer worlds, if they exist, are not subject too
the destiny of Adam and his descendants.

"They certainly would not be part of the human family, whose
progenitor is Adam, since their origin could not be explained by
the emigration of earth-men.

"Consequently, they would not be tainted by original sin, at
least not by that one committed by Adam, nor would they have
been redeemed by Jesus Christ who came to earth to retrieve
original sin."Jesus Christ who came to earth to retrieve
original sin."

-----

David Rudiak



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