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Re: 'Snowflake' Video From South America

From: Martin Shough <parcellular.nul>
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 11:19:28 +0100
Archived: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 07:24:46 -0400
Subject: Re: 'Snowflake' Video From South America

>From: Kentaro Mori <kentaro.mori.nul>
>Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 13:53:00 -0300
>To: post.nul
>Subject: Re: 'Snowflake' Video From South America

>>>From: Steve Sawyer <stevesaw.nul>
>>>To: <post.nul>
>>>Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:17:30 -0700
>>>Subject: Re: 'Snowflake' Video From South America

>>>>From: Martin Shough <parcellular.nul>
>>>>To: <post.nul>
>>>>Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:41:39 +0100
>>>>Subject: 'Snowflake' Video From South America


>>>Subtracting the erratic camera motion and measuring the position
>>>of the light relative to the house window, I think the object
>>>seems to drift slowly up and to the left over the rooftop during
>>>the video. This makes me think of a bright star or planet. But
>>>of course with no direction or time information to go on it's
>>>hard to say.  The pattern of lights hints at some optical or
>>>video artefact but I haven't seen an effect exactly like this
>>>before. Any thoughts?

>>>Very odd. Note the geometric pattern of smaller lights
>>>surrounding the central light. Assuming, for the time being,
>>>that this is prosaic, the only thing I could think of was a
>>>tethered balloon with some kind of LED rig attached.

>>That would be my initial guess as well.  I've seen similar stuff
>>at the Burning Man Festival.  I don't think it a hoax of the
>>cameraman, just a prosaic, human-made group of lights seen at
>>night, therefore the cameraman was unable to see such things as
>>a balloon that is suspending it.

>I agree, incidents involving fake "UFOs" which are in fact LED
>lights suspended by kites are somewhat common in South America.

>See this 2007 case in Rosario Argentina (scroll down):


>And this quite elaborate one in Brazil, from Embu
>das Artes in 2011, exposed as a rig from the beggining by late
>Ufologist Claudeir Covo (the videos are now offline, but a search
>for the Embu das Artes UFO will quickly return several results):


>The region where the video pointed by Martin was shot seems to
>be a place where UFO interest is very high. One can find several
>UFO videos on Youtube, by different groups of people, by
>searching fro "Palmira UFOs". That also includes this joke:


>Though the pattern of lights do look like an optical artifact
>(or a deliberate optical effect), I'm more inclined to view it
>as a rig of LED lights in exactly that pattern, suspended by a
>kite (or possibly a balloon).

>The cameraman may or may not have been involved in the prank,
>but it very probably is just a prank. With a LED lights.

Hi Kentaro

The LED kite cases are interesting. In tbis case my feeling is
that a kite would probably not drift steadily to the left and
up, as on the video. A balloon might. But the motion is much
more like that of a celestial object in my opinion.

I'd expect that a framework carrying a snowflake-like array of
LEDs dangling from a kite or balloon would be free to rotate
around a vertical axis, changing aspect from circular to
elliptical and back as it did so, not remain face-on to the
camera the whole time.

In fact the only rotation visible (to me) is a rotation around
the line of sight, i.e. like a wheel face-on to the camera. This
occurs a couple times, a few degrees clockwise or anticlockwise,
then back. This is the sort of rotation you might expect to see
due to a rotated filter but would be very difficult to replicate
with some sort of electromechanical gadget hanging from a
balloon. But i suppose it could be done if a hoaxer was very


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