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Re: Nick Pope's Credibility Blown

From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 07:59:36 -0500
Archived: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 09:31:50 -0400
Subject: Re: Nick Pope's Credibility Blown

>From: Paul Kimball <paulkimball.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 02:07:39 -0300
>Subject: Re: Nick Pope's Credibility Blown

>>From: Joe McGonagle <joe.mcgonagle.nul>
>>To: post.nul
>>Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:19:43 +0100
>>Subject: Re: Nick Pope's Credibility Blown

>>According to Examiner.Com:


>>August 21, 2012

>>"...It was also announced at Sunday's [19th August] MUFON
>>meeting in Tucson, that Nick plans on withdrawing from the
>>limelight, so to speak. Presumably to spend more time with his
>>new wife or possibly write another book. However, it is unclear
>>yet as to why he plans on giving less speeches and interviews.
>>Many Tucsonans are hopeful that he'll make an appearance at some
>>of the UFO events in town to show his support as a fellow

>>If this is true and he does back out of ufology, then his
>>withdrawal will be the most important contribution he will have
>>made to the field in my opinion.

>All of this venom directed at Nick Pope has gone well beyond any
>attempt at legitimate criticism of his work (which is certainly
>fair game), and reeks of a personal vendetta. It's sad, but it
>says a lot more about Nick's critics than it does about him.

>There are far worse things that damage the "reputation" of
>ufology than people like Nick earning a living by working for
>advertisers from time to time. For example, the casual anti-
>Semitism that has been an undercurrent of ufology (and
>conspiracy theory in the broader context) for decades now. This
>almost never gets a mention by the people busy bashing someone
>like Nick (or by anyone, for that matter - it's a dirty little
>secret). Holocaust denier Ernst Zundel used UFOs as a way to
>lure impressionable young people into his web of hate years ago,
>which is the most odious example, but a look at the Jeff Rense
>website will give plenty of other examples. And yet many people
>on this List have appeared on Rense's show (myself included
>once, without having first looked into who he was or what he was
>about - a mistake I never made again), and continue to do so.
>Others post or re-post material from his hate-filled website.

>I think some people on this List have their priorities way out
>of whack.

The personal attacks on Nick Pope make my eyes glaze over and
skip on as rapidly as possible to something more interesting and

As one who's written on the subject, I cannot agree that anti-
Semitism is anything other than a fringe theme in UFO-themed
writing. Ernst Zundel was far off the charts. He made a lot of
noise but exercised little influence. Persons who appear on Jeff
Rense's show are not endorsing his obnoxious views; mostly,
they're naive about them - for which, no doubt, they merit
criticism. That doesn't make them conscious bigots, however.

Anti-Semitism, usually thinly veiled in talk of "International
Bankers," was an occasional undercurrent in the contactee
subculture of the 1950s, and it was possible to hear some echoes
in the late, unlamented Dark Side movement of the latter 1980s.
But within the mainstream of UFO discourse, anti-Semitism has
been a very minor issue.

Of course, it ought to be condemned wherever it shows its ugly
face. My own observation is that many ufologists are clueless in
matters of politics and history - in other words, they're
identical to most of their fellow citizens. On the other hand,
individuals obsessed with hatreds based on religion, race, and
the like don't seem especially attracted to ufology as such, as
the history of our subject - about which I know a thing or two -

In my lifetime of interacting with colleagues, I recall being
exposed personally to a single anti-Semitic slur, that by a
since-deceased, prominent figure from across the water. It was
so unusual and unexpected that it has stuck in memory.

Jerry Clark

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