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Re: Anti-Semitism and Ufology

From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 15:17:07 -0500
Archived: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 04:49:27 -0400
Subject: Re: Anti-Semitism and Ufology

>From: Nick Pope <nick.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 21:33:03 +0200 (CEST)
>Subject: Anti-Semitism and Ufology [was: Nick Pope's Credibility Blown]

>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
>>To: post.nul
>>Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 07:59:36 -0500
>>Subject: Re: Nick Pope's Credibility Blown

>>>From: Paul Kimball <paulkimball.nul>
>>>To: post.nul
>>>Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 02:07:39 -0300
>>>Subject: Re: Nick Pope's Credibility Blown


>>>There are far worse things that damage the "reputation" of
>>>ufology than people like Nick earning a living by working for
>>>advertisers from time to time. For example, the casual anti-
>>>Semitism that has been an undercurrent of ufology (and
>>>conspiracy theory in the broader context) for decades now. This
>>>almost never gets a mention by the people busy bashing someone
>>>like Nick (or by anyone, for that matter - it's a dirty little
>>>secret). Holocaust denier Ernst Zundel used UFOs as a way to
>>>lure impressionable young people into his web of hate years ago,
>>>which is the most odious example, but a look at the Jeff Rense
>>>website will give plenty of other examples. And yet many people
>>>on this List have appeared on Rense's show (myself included
>>>once, without having first looked into who he was or what he was
>>>about - a mistake I never made again), and continue to do so.
>>>Others post or re-post material from his hate-filled website.

>>>I think some people on this List have their priorities way out
>>>of whack.


>>As one who's written on the subject, I cannot agree that anti-
>>Semitism is anything other than a fringe theme in UFO-themed
>>writing. Ernst Zundel was far off the charts. He made a lot of
>>noise but exercised little influence. Persons who appear on Jeff
>>Rense's show are not endorsing his obnoxious views; mostly,
>>they're naive about them - for which, no doubt, they merit
>>criticism. That doesn't make them conscious bigots, however.

>>Anti-Semitism, usually thinly veiled in talk of "International
>>Bankers," was an occasional undercurrent in the contactee
>>subculture of the 1950s, and it was possible to hear some echoes
>>in the late, unlamented Dark Side movement of the latter 1980s.
>>But within the mainstream of UFO discourse, anti-Semitism has
>>been a very minor issue.

>>Of course, it ought to be condemned wherever it shows its ugly
>>face. My own observation is that many ufologists are clueless in
>>matters of politics and history - in other words, they're
>>identical to most of their fellow citizens. On the other hand,
>>individuals obsessed with hatreds based on religion, race, and
>>the like don't seem especially attracted to ufology as such, as
>>the history of our subject - about which I know a thing or two -

>>In my lifetime of interacting with colleagues, I recall being
>>exposed personally to a single anti-Semitic slur, that by a
>>since-deceased, prominent figure from across the water. It was
>>so unusual and unexpected that it has stuck in memory.



>It's not clear whether this sort of thing is thinly-veiled anti-
>Semitism, or just an incredibly na=EFve over-simplification of a
>desperately sad political situation where there s fault on all
>sides. But when a blog begins with the phrase Not all Israelis
>are bad , I m reminded of the racist who begins his rant with
>phrases like don t get me wrong, I ve got black friends, but ...


I agree that "not all Israelis are bad" is an unpromising way to
open any discussion that professes to be rational, the adjective
here being used in the most charitable spirit possible under the

Jerry Clark

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