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Re: Nick Pope's Credibility Blown

From: Joe McGonagle <joe.mcgonagle.nul>
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 21:23:17 +0100
Archived: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 04:50:43 -0400
Subject: Re: Nick Pope's Credibility Blown

>From: Paul Kimball <paulkimball.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 02:07:39 -0300
>Subject: Re: Nick Pope's Credibility Blown


>All of this venom directed at Nick Pope has gone well beyond any
>attempt at legitimate criticism of his work (which is certainly
>fair game), and reeks of a personal vendetta. It's sad, but it
>says a lot more about Nick's critics than it does about him.

Sorry Paul, I don't see your logic. Nick exaggerated and lied in
order to promote himself with the media and within ufology, that
is a simple and demonstrable fact. Many of those working in the
field including yourself and Jerry tolerated it and in your
case, (and that of others, eg Leslie Kean) actually supported
his false image, hence I regard their/your own work as tainted.
Now you seem to feel that it is somehow my fault or that it is
my behaviour which is somehow immoral?

It seems that a large proportion of 'ufology' and all of the
media are incapable of recognising misleading behaviour, or if
they are capable, they simply don't care. If Pope claimed to
have been a Navy Seal or a Viet Nam veteran would your
perception be different? A walt is a walt, he has already tried
to infer that his background was in the 'defence intelligence'
field, yet another part of his Ego which doesn't stand up to

>There are far worse things that damage the "reputation" of
>ufology than people like Nick earning a living by working for
>advertisers from time to time. For example, the casual anti-
>Semitism that has been an undercurrent of ufology (and

Hey I have no problem with someone earning an _honest_ living,
but I don't see what is honest about claiming to have been 'in
charge of' a non-existent 'UFO project' or misattributing the
work of others when you know the true attribution.

I dislike people making a _dishonest_ living (and that includes
a large proportion of politicians, salesmen and journalists
IMO). When they are active in my sphere of interest, then I see
no reason not to point out the error of their ways. Not to do so
is tantamount to endorsing what they espouse.

>conspiracy theory in the broader context) for decades now. This
>almost never gets a mention by the people busy bashing someone
>like Nick (or by anyone, for that matter - it's a dirty little
>secret). Holocaust denier Ernst Zundel used UFOs as a way to
>lure impressionable young people into his web of hate years ago,
>which is the most odious example, but a look at the Jeff Rense
>website will give plenty of other examples. And yet many people
>on this list have appeared on Rense's show (myself included
>once, without having first looked into who he was or what he was
>about - a mistake I never made again), and continue to do so.
>Others post or re-post material from his hate-filled website.

>I think some people on this List have their priorities way out
>of whack.

I don't disagree with any of the above paragraph - people
shouldn't knowingly support racists and should expose their
behaviour. The same applies to charlatans, even if they do have
a nice English accent and appear to be inoffensive publicly.

Just in case you missed my strap line on previous posts, ufology
gets what it deserves.



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