From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 09:31:21 -0500 Archived: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 13:35:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Nick Pope's Credibility Blown >From: Joe McGonagle <joe.mcgonagle.nul> >To: post.nul >Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 21:23:17 +0100 >Subject: Re: Nick Pope's Credibility Blown >>From: Paul Kimball <paulkimball.nul> >>To: post.nul >>Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 02:07:39 -0300 >>Subject: Re: Nick Pope's Credibility Blown ><snip> >>All of this venom directed at Nick Pope has gone well beyond any >>attempt at legitimate criticism of his work (which is certainly >>fair game), and reeks of a personal vendetta. It's sad, but it >>says a lot more about Nick's critics than it does about him. >Sorry Paul, I don't see your logic. Nick exaggerated and lied in >order to promote himself with the media and within ufology, that >is a simple and demonstrable fact. Many of those working in the >field including yourself and Jerry tolerated it and in your >case, (and that of others, eg Leslie Kean) actually supported >his false image, hence I regard their/your own work as tainted. >Now you seem to feel that it is somehow my fault or that it is >my behaviour which is somehow immoral? >It seems that a large proportion of 'ufology' and all of the >media are incapable of recognising misleading behaviour, or if >they are capable, they simply don't care. If Pope claimed to >have been a Navy Seal or a Viet Nam veteran would your >perception be different? A walt is a walt, he has already tried >to infer that his background was in the 'defence intelligence' >field, yet another part of his Ego which doesn't stand up to >scrutiny. >>There are far worse things that damage the "reputation" of >>ufology than people like Nick earning a living by working for >>advertisers from time to time. For example, the casual anti- >>Semitism that has been an undercurrent of ufology (and >Hey I have no problem with someone earning an _honest_ living, >but I don't see what is honest about claiming to have been 'in >charge of' a non-existent 'UFO project' or misattributing the >work of others when you know the true attribution. >I dislike people making a _dishonest_ living (and that includes >a large proportion of politicians, salesmen and journalists >IMO). When they are active in my sphere of interest, then I see >no reason not to point out the error of their ways. Not to do so >is tantamount to endorsing what they espouse. >>conspiracy theory in the broader context) for decades now. This >>almost never gets a mention by the people busy bashing someone >>like Nick (or by anyone, for that matter - it's a dirty little >>secret). Holocaust denier Ernst Zundel used UFOs as a way to >>lure impressionable young people into his web of hate years ago, >>which is the most odious example, but a look at the Jeff Rense >>website will give plenty of other examples. And yet many people >>on this list have appeared on Rense's show (myself included >>once, without having first looked into who he was or what he was >>about - a mistake I never made again), and continue to do so. >>Others post or re-post material from his hate-filled website. >>I think some people on this List have their priorities way out >>of whack. >I don't disagree with any of the above paragraph - people >shouldn't knowingly support racists and should expose their >behaviour. The same applies to charlatans, even if they do have >a nice English accent and appear to be inoffensive publicly. >Just in case you missed my strap line on previous posts, ufology >gets what it deserves. Absolutely. But does it deserve the self-righteous, self- congratulatory likes of Joe McGonagle? If it does, then we're all doomed. Jerry Clark Listen to 'Strange Days... Indeed' - The PodCast At: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/sdi/program/ These contents above are copyright of the author and UFO UpDates - Toronto. They may not be reproduced without the express permission of both parties and are intended for educational use only.
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