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Re: Update To Our View Of The Drake Equation

From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 06:23:39 -0000
Archived: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 10:21:26 -0500
Subject: Re: Update To Our View Of The Drake Equation


>From: Edward Gehrman <egehrman.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 08:08:53 -0800
>Subject: Re: Update To Our View Of The Drake Equation

>>From: David Rudiak <drudiak.nul>
>>To: post.nul
>>Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 10:22:33 -0800
>>Subject: Re: Update To Our View Of The Drake Equation

>>Quite! There is the hidden assumption in these calculations
>>that interstellar migration is impossible. This is not a
>>scientific assumption but dogma. There are many conceivable
>>ways that such migrations could take place without resorting to
>>assumptions of Star Trekian warp drives, but at sub-light
>>speeds.

>>E.g., assume machine intelligence and length of travel doesn't
>>really matter. Time to nearest star at a very modest 1% light
>>speed is then less than 500 years. NASA propulsion experts for
>>years have been thinking in terms of 10% light speed for a
>>probe.

>If Einstein is correct, then travel by even a grain of sand,
>using external energy (so fuel wouldn't have to be carried), at
>the speed of light would require all the energy in the universe.
>So if we travel at 10% of the speed of light, does that require
>10% of the energy in the universe? And that's just to power a
>grain of sand.

>Under these circumstances, I don't think star travel is probable
>or will ever be possible. Yes we have visitors, but a more
mundane explanation is possible: we share our planet with an
ancient civilization.

Quite right Ed, However that 'correct' assumption rests only on
current knowledge of Relativity and QM.

Several scientists (and am just now re-reading Penrose's
'Emperor's New Mind' where he seriously considers it), are
looking at matter transmission and even transmission of a person
- complete with 'consciousness' - by way of entanglement.

The minimum speed of such a tranfer would be light-speed, and
sometime in our future (but maybe other folks' present?) we
might find the secret of that 'instantaneous force over
arbitrary distance' which shows up in QM experiments.


Cheers

Ray D




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