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Re: New At The Alien Jigsaw

From: Kathy Kasten <catraja.nul>
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 01:00:18 +0000
Archived: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 16:20:16 -0500
Subject: Re: New At The Alien Jigsaw

>From: Jack Brewer <brewer.jack.nul>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <post.nul>
>Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 19:10:48 -0800 (PST)
>Subject: Re: New At The Alien Jigsaw

>>From: Kathy Kasten <catraja.nul>
>>To: <post.nul>
>>Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 19:44:39 +0000
>>Subject: Re: New At The Alien Jigsaw

>>>From: Jack Brewer <brewer.jack.nul>
>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <post.nul>
>>>Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 08:23:30 -0800 (PST)
>>>Subject: Re: New At The Alien Jigsaw

>>>I would be interested in reading your perspectives on the roles
>>>health professionals can play in the lives of self-described
>>>alien abductees. As your time allows, I would appreciate reading
>>>your take on such issues as psychoanalysis, the manners
>>>psychoanalysis and mental health professionals are typically
>>>viewed within the UFO community, and similar such dynamics as
>>>they relate to the abduction phenomenon.

>>>What are the pros and cons? What are the dangers of discouraging
>>>people from visiting psychiatrists and medical doctors?

>>>I would also appreciate reading commentary from others who might
>>>choose to respond to such questions and their related issues.

>>Over the years, I researched and interviewed people claiming
>>"alien abduction." Last night, during a radio interview with
>>Travis Walton, several issues surfaced. (Actually, your comments
>>require at least a several page article or book chapter, but
>>I'll condense my thoughts into an e-mail response.)

>Thank you for your reply. I appreciate your attention to the
>subject matter. Such topics indeed justify much more content.

>Speaking of, I read your comments with interest a while back in
>which you mentioned working with the Department of Human Subject
>Protection during your time at UCLA. Any info you may care to
>share and/or links, etc. you might recommend to help me gain a
>more complete understanding of your work at that time (and
>particularly your appeal to the National Institute of Health)
>would be greatly appreciated.

>I also appreciate you sharing your take on the Walton case. The
>circumstances you cited are certainly worthy of much more
>explanation than they currently receive. As you suggest, it
>might indeed be most telling - in and of itself - that so few
>people even ask the right questions.

>To try to be clear, I am neither suggesting nor implying that
>all reports of paranormal phenomena can be attributed to
>circumstances related to psychological conditions or covert
>research projects. I am most certainly suggesting, however, that
>if the UFO community continues to collectively prefer to remain
>uninformed of such conditions and projects, it will remain
>unqualified to accurately identify such situations when
>applicable. It will also remain unqualified to intelligently
>discuss such situations among qualified professionals who most
>certainly recognize and understand the significance of such
>dynamics within UFOlogy.

>>Frankly, neither Budd Hopkins nor David Jacobs should have been
>>interacting with individuals who are claimed to suffered a
>>traumatic event.

>Right. Along those lines, it is of course common for self-
>described abductees to become defensive when psychiatric issues
>are proposed for discussion. I strongly suspect some of them are
>correct that such issues do not apply to their experiences - but
>that is not the point, at least not entirely.

>It should be recognized that some of them are indeed suffering
>from psychiatric conditions and emotional trauma that is in no
>way, shape or form related to non-human beings. To deny this is
>the case at least some of the time in some circumstances does a
>genuine disservice to people who could benefit from proper care.
>A competent argument can be made it is irresponsible and
>negligent for hypnotists and the like to consistently receive so
>much more attention than is given to consideration of the
>relevance of mental health and related medical services. It also
>continues to make the UFO community appear ignorant and much
>more interested in campaigning for one hypothesis or another
>than it is interested in identifying truth.
>Again, I appreciate your attention to such matters, KK, and I
>look forward to reading more as your time and attention allow.


I have been attempting to start a dialog with individuals on this
List regarding what the UFO community calls alien abduction.

In the main, I have looked for individuals who are able to step
back and reflect on their research and experiences. From my
point of view, most researchers do not want to involve
themselves in something as esoteric as what appears at this
point to be an interaction with 'the other'.

'The other' meaning something or someone other than Earthly
human intelligence. The only recommendation provided by a lister
here was a book published in the 1970s on the paranormal.

Frankly, I had read a couple of books published around the same
time. I found the information in those books to be timeless.
Whereas the book recommended was dated and slightly tainted with
the limited view of the author. Also, I have read the McKenna
brothers research, and a few other academic papers.

From my own reading and research I am leaning towards some
energy that lingers on the edge of human consciousness and is
able - with the subconscious permission - to interact with

As for links to my appeal to the NIH? I think there are some
older websites that might have the old letter. Try something
like Mind Control Target Appeals to the NIH. I think it was back
in 1994. There was also a group of us in Los Angeles that
testified before Clinton's Congressional Committee investigating
covert research. You can find that, if it is still archived,
under investigation into covert research.


[Perhaps the writers need to explore the Archive in addition to
their research. There have been many discussions regarding
abduction and 'the other' --ebk]

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