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Re: Wilbert Smith And Project Magnet

From: Stanton T. Friedman <fsphys.nul>
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 14:01:06 -0400
Archived: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 04:37:52 -0500
Subject: Re: Wilbert Smith And Project Magnet

>From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 14:44:56 -0500 (EST)
>Subject: Re: Wilbert Smith And Project Magnet

>>From: Stanton T. Friedman <fsphys.nul>
>>To: <post.nul>
>>Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 16:42:49 -0400
>>Subject: Re: Wilbert Smith And Project Magnet

>>>Source: Kevin Randle's A different Perspective Blog


>>>Friday, February 17, 2012

>>>Wilbert Smith And Project Magnet

>>>For some bizarre reason, the Wilbert Smith documents have gained
>>>new life and I'm not sure why. Smith was a Canadian radio
>>>engineer who worked with, or for the government and was well
>>>thought of. He was, for example, the Senior Engineer at the
>>>Canadian Department of Transport. He also, according to
>>>researcher Grant Cameron, was responsible for "Radio Ottawa"
>>>where the Canadian "spies" reported in and which also monitored
>>>Soviet communications. Yes, I wondered about Canadian spies as
>>>well, but that something for another time.

>>>According to the latest information, this memo, written by Smith
>>>on November 21, 1950, has just been recovered from the Archives
>>>of the University of Ottawa. I guess that means that the
>>>document was found in their collection, but it has been
>>>available for a long time. Though originally classified as Top
>>>Secret, it has been downgraded over the years so that it is no
>>>longer classified (which means only that its classification was
>>>downgraded and says nothing about the importance of the
>>>information included in it.) The complete text says:


>Stan, All -

>>There is more to Smith than he is given credit for in this blog
>>post. He was well thought of indeed.

>Thought I made it clear that he was well thought of... wondered
>about the idea of Canadian spies... who do they spy on? But,
>that is something for another day.

>>I had a copy from Canadian Scott Foster in 1979 and viewed the
>>memo in the Arthur Bray files at the U. of Ottawa many years
>>ago. I also met with Smith's boss Dr. Solandt and located and
>>met with Robert Sarbacher his American source for the comments
>>given about Bush.

>Yes, yes. We all get it. You've been to archives. You've
>interviewed people. Sarbacher talked about this (and wasn't it
>Steinman who found Sarbacher and interviewed him first? That's
>what he said in his book...) And you had a copy before the MJ-12
>papers surfaced... interesting.

>>Smith was not just a teller of tales like, for example, Frank
>>Kaufmann who had nothing to back up his fiction. CD Allan
>>naturally got his facts wrong in his anti-MJ-12 zeal. We did not
>>find all the names in Bush's papers.

>Why is it you always have to make snarky little comments?
>Couldn't you have said he wasn't a teller of tales like Gerald
>Anderson, the wannabe SEAL who was not. And was it three dead
>aliens and one injured or was it two dead, one injured and one
>not? Why did he invent the phone bill... to make me look bad
>because I was saying he was a liar, so to prove me wrong, he
>forged a telephone bill. Please explain the logic in that? Tell
>us again how the fact that Buskirk taught at the Albuquerque
>High School where your buddy, Anderson, was a student is
>irrelevant. Oh yes, Buskirk is the liar not Anderson. I mention
>these things because you have a habit of tromping off into
>irrelevancies to the particular discussions.

>>There was a lot of useful info at the Truman Library, the Ike
>>Library, the Harvard Archives, Reagan library etc.Of course some
>>of the people were well known to Bush... no surprise considering
>>his major role in science and government policy during and after
>>WW II. Chairman of committees etc. Much more in the way of solid
>>infomation re MJ-12 can be found in my TOP SECRET/MAJIC and
>>in a long piece at my web site:


>Yes, tell us again how the lack of a provenance for MJ-12 is
>really a proof that the documents are real. Please explain why,
>if there was a crash on the Plains of San Agustin, there is no
>mention of it in the briefing for the President-elect. Please
>explain why the Aztec crash is left out, but the El Indio
>fiction, invented by Robert Willingham is included.

>>Good idea to have facts in hand before putting computer in gear

>Sound advice Stan, maybe you should take it... I mean, you
>invented a black sergeant to visit Bill Brazel, you said that
>none of the various archaeologists were on the Plains to see the
>crash when documentation puts Herbert Dick in the perfect
>location. You published 38 false claims by Don Schmitt and me
>but later attributed them all to me... even when I wasn't
>involved... Explain what you meant when you wrote that you knew
>about the alien tissue sample that Don and I had.

>All I did was suggest that the Smith document was a document
>created by a man giving his opinion and it was based on such
>credible sources as Behind The Flying Saucers. I tried to make
>it clear that Smith was a respected man, but his report left a
>little to be desired from the standpoint of evidence.

Kevin et al

I have always admired your ability to create loads of fiction.
How many dozen fiction books is it now? More than 7 I would
guess. But I have often been bothered by your frequent attempts
to pass off fiction as fact as in the above using false
reasoning and the strange notion that absence of evidence is
evidence of absence.

Here are three specific examples:.

1. You mention the Plains of San Agustin and claim that if it
had been real, it would have been mentioned in the EBD. Why? The
EBD doesn't say it is a complete accounting of all UFO events.
To the contrary, it specifically states "This document has been
prepared as a preliminary briefing only. It should be regarded
as introductory to a full operations briefing intended to
follow". Many brief briefings were crammed in to the Ike
briefing at the Pentagon on Nov. 18, 1952. Ike wouldn't be
inaugurated until a couple of months later.

Furthermore, as you know while Roswell had coast to coast
publicity, the PSA case had none. It involved an almost intact
craft as opposed to just pieces. Ditto for Aztec. Scott and
Suzanne Ramsey's book about Aztec "Aztec Incident" should get
rid of the doubts (Mid April watch for it.) They did exceptional
research rather than make proclamations

2. I have no idea why you link Willingham and El Indio and the
EBD. I have never said Willingham's testimony had anything to do
with any conclusions.

Are you suggesting he wrote the Eisenhower Briefing Document?
Furthermore there was a national security alert at the time of
El Indio which undoubtedly made the rounds of the military.
Having been to Sandia,I would not expect to get anything from
them. Absence of data in my hands does not prove it didn't
happen. Willingham's not telling the truth doesn't either.

3. I did not say lack of Provenance makes the document genuine.
I have loudly said that whoever released the film and planted
the CT memo was guilty of violatng the laws about providing
highly classified material to people not having an appropriate
clearance and need to know. A hoaxer could stand up and say
Gotcha. The real McCoy could not.

Journalists often get over the transom stuff.

By the way, I did discover Sarbacher after talking to Arthur
Bray in Canada. I found Sarbacher listed in a "Who is Who in
Science", contacted him and visited him on his yacht during a
trip to see my retired parents in Florida. I had told Bill Moore
who talked to Steinman. Ask Steinman. He is still around.

Where did a I say a black sergeant visited Brazel? I did list
38 false claims; whether you or you and Don deserve the credit
is far less important than that they were false.

I do wish you and Listers would review my long review of your
MJ-12 book.

Stan Friedman

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