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Re: Sampling Earth's Biodiversity

From: J. Maynard Gelinas <j.maynard.gelinas.nul>
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 22:16:09 +0800
Archived: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 09:44:43 -0500
Subject: Re: Sampling Earth's Biodiversity

>From: Stanton T. Friedman <fsphys.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 11:11:41 -0400
>Subject: Re: Sampling Earth's Biodiversity

>>From: J. Maynard Gelinas <j.maynard.gelinas.nul>
>>To: post.nul
>>Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 07:37:25 +0800
>>Subject: Sampling Earth's Biodiversity

>>Speculative: On sampling Earth's biodiversity In Search For
>>Novel Reactive Compounds


>Three quick points::

>1. Earth is the densest planet in the solar system implying
>higher levels of such very high density metals as Rhenium,
>Osmium, Gold tungsten, uranium,etc.. all of which have special
>properties and appear to be rare in the stars of the local

Interesting point. Does that mean you argue that such elements
are unavailable for harvesting in the asteroid belt? Wouldn't
Earth be made primarily of the same stuff as what existed in the
dust ring during stellar formation? If so, doesn't that imply
that such materials are abundant elsewhere in the solar system?

>2. While there is undoubtedly water on other bodies here, none
>are covered with a deep ocean containing both readily accesible
>life forms and, at the bottom, loads of relatively well
>segrgated metals, diamonds, etc.

So the argument here is not that water is special (we agree) but
that certain metals and carbon forms are available in the oceans
of Earth that aren't available elsewhere in the solar system.
The words 'life forms', however, go right to my initial
argument. Finding by accident, or modifying by intent, the
genetic nature of a life form to produce specific molecular
compounds is exactly what I'm driving at. Why sample the
biodiversity of Earth without a purpose framed within self-

Ultimately, I'm arguing that repeated visitations suggest some
kind of rational 'self-interest' gain rather than expending the
energy on a long term program to travel here out of 'pure
research' intent.

IMO: the best counter-argument against my suggestion is to
presume the advent of self-replicating nanotechnology - akin to
what Drexler proposes. However, if one were to guess that
Drexler's goals are pie-in-the-sky and much more difficult to
achieve than we imagine, than the 'harvesting novel molecular
compounds' from life becomes a viable option to achieve similar

>3. Judging by the physical trace cases and the abduction cases,
>aliens are able to breath the air here so would have a much
>easier time than where air is much less dense and special
>apparatus would be required..

Abduction doesn't fit into the thought experiment because it
wasn't among the presumptions listed. But I have a serious
problem with the evidence collection methods (hypnotic
regression), so I won't comment there. As for aliens breathing
our atmosphere, I'm not convinced that actual biological agents
would have to travel here for the sampling methods stated here
to be achieved.

But I don't discount the possibility.

Thanks for your response,


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