From: deardorj.nul Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 08:57:58 -0800 (PST) Archived: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 11:25:16 -0500 Subject: Re: A Couple Of Possibly Interesting Items >From: Eleanor White <ewraven1.nul> >To: post.nul >Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 19:03:24 -0500 >Subject: A Couple Of Possibly Interesting Items >Second: Nick Balaskas might be interested in this. >I came across this link showing one of those circular 'punch >hole' openings in a solid overcast, at this link: >http://englishrussia.com/2006/10/25/tornado-in-moscow >The Russian photographer or editor called this a "baby tornado". >He was referring to the swirl-pattern wispy clouds dropping down >from the 'punch hole'. >This is the first time I've seen such a cloud pattern in a photo >of a punch-hole. >I have seen, live, in the sky here in Ontario, many small clouds >which are wispy like the old "cirrus", but are shorter and >instead of the strands running horizontally, they run either >vertical, or horizontal with the cloud forming a right angle >bend. Those formations are new to me. >But I thought the Russian "punch hole" might be of interest to >List members who have investigated UFO occurrences associated >with such holes. >Eleanor White Eleanor, Regarding those cloud-hole pictures, they, especially the first one over Moscow, does have an appearance of what a cloud physicist would probably be happy to say is a natural occurrence of happenstance cloud seeding in a supercooled alto-cumulus layer. I.e., an ice crystal or cloud-seeding particle happens to occur within the thin supercooled cloud layer, which then converts the adjacent supercooled water droplets into ice crystals in an ever expanding circle. The converted ice crystals then (somehow?) coalesce into crystals large enough to slowly fall out - the ones below the center of the hole have fallen farthest because they got started falling the soonest when the hole was smallest. So a downward pointing cusp shaped fibrous cloud forms below the hole. This cusp may become curved or slanted downwards because of vertical wind shear. I couldn't detect any tornadic swirl in those photos, and one wouldn't expect any in absence of a thunderstorm cloud. Those cloud holes may be naturally occurring also because their edges weren't nearly as cookie-cutter sharp as in some photos I've seen, and because their shapes weren't too perfectly circular. One would expect irregular edges in naturally occurring holes because the supercooled cloud layer into which the hole is growing has variable cloud-droplet densities and perhaps even cloud-free gaps within itself. However, without photos showing the hole(s) in earlier stages of formation, I can't be at all certain that they were naturally occurring. An example of two cloud-punch holes occurring in 2003, which I definitely regard as unnatural or of alien make, is at: http://www.coasttocoastam.com/photo/view/sky_circles/43615 Jim Deardorff Listen to 'Strange Days... Indeed' - The PodCast At: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/sdi/program/ These contents above are copyright of the author and UFO UpDates - Toronto. They may not be reproduced without the express permission of both parties and are intended for educational use only.
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