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Re: A Couple Of Possibly Interesting Items

From: deardorj.nul
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 08:57:58 -0800 (PST)
Archived: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 11:25:16 -0500
Subject: Re: A Couple Of Possibly Interesting Items

>From: Eleanor White <ewraven1.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 19:03:24 -0500
>Subject: A Couple Of Possibly Interesting Items

>Second: Nick Balaskas might be interested in this.

>I came across this link showing one of those circular 'punch
>hole' openings in a solid overcast, at this link:


>The Russian photographer or editor called this a "baby tornado".
>He was referring to the swirl-pattern wispy clouds dropping down
>from the 'punch hole'.

>This is the first time I've seen such a cloud pattern in a photo
>of a punch-hole.

>I have seen, live, in the sky here in Ontario, many small clouds
>which are wispy like the old "cirrus", but are shorter and
>instead of the strands running horizontally, they run either
>vertical, or horizontal with the cloud forming a right angle
>bend. Those formations are new to me.

>But I thought the Russian "punch hole" might be of interest to
>List members who have investigated UFO occurrences associated
>with such holes.

>Eleanor White


Regarding those cloud-hole pictures, they, especially the first
one over Moscow, does have an appearance of what a cloud
physicist would probably be happy to say is a natural occurrence
of happenstance cloud seeding in a supercooled alto-cumulus
layer. I.e., an ice crystal or cloud-seeding particle happens
to occur within the thin supercooled cloud layer, which then
converts the adjacent supercooled water droplets into ice
crystals in an ever expanding circle.

The converted ice crystals then (somehow?) coalesce into
crystals large enough to slowly fall out - the ones below the
center of the hole have fallen farthest because they got started
falling the soonest when the hole was smallest. So a downward
pointing cusp shaped fibrous cloud forms below the hole. This
cusp may become curved or slanted downwards because of vertical
wind shear. I couldn't detect any tornadic swirl in those
photos, and one wouldn't expect any in absence of a thunderstorm

Those cloud holes may be naturally occurring also because their
edges weren't nearly as cookie-cutter sharp as in some photos
I've seen, and because their shapes weren't too perfectly
circular. One would expect irregular edges in naturally
occurring holes because the supercooled cloud layer into which
the hole is growing has variable cloud-droplet densities and
perhaps even cloud-free gaps within itself. However, without
photos showing the hole(s) in earlier stages of formation, I
can't be at all certain that they were naturally occurring.

An example of two cloud-punch holes occurring in 2003, which
I definitely regard as unnatural or of alien make, is at:


Jim Deardorff

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