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Re: Types Of Aliens To Expect?

From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 11:20:01 -0500
Archived: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 04:59:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Types Of Aliens To Expect?

>From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 15:49:01 +0100
>Subject: Re: Types Of Aliens To Expect?

>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
>>To: post.nul
>>Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 19:02:04 -0500
>>Subject: Re: Types Of Aliens To Expect?

>>>From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <post.nul>
>>>Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 00:27:42 +0100
>>>Subject: Types Of Aliens To Expect?



>>>Yet if we had pursued Wallace's theory of evolutionary
>>>Platonism we would have to forecast humans improving morally
>>>and ethically, as even Darwin (a notably unintelligent and
>>>chauvinist man) was forced to admit was slowly happening.

>>"Notably unintelligent and chauvinist" - as compared to you,

>>What a strange thing to say about a seminal figure in the
>>history of science and, beyond that, of human understanding

>Hi Jerome, here's a sample:

>Pangenesis - "all-producing" - a pet belief of Darwin's

>Darwin thought that tiny particles called `gemmules' were
>produced by body cells and that these eventually traveled to the
>sex organs and influenced future offspring.

>Importantly - Daewin thought these `gemmules' picked up on
>parents' activities and passed those temporary traits on to any

>That is, he thought skills or characteristics acquired during
>the life of the parent could be inherited by offspring

>note: Now we'd call that sort of belief `Lamarckian' - and

>More - Darwin seriously speculated that these imaginary
>`gemmules' passed from male to female in sperm and so might be a
>reason for some women "coming to resemble their husbands".

>note: Many women & men choose partners with the bone structure
>of their parent(s), hence couples can often resemble each other
>later in life. Check any newspaper archives.

>Telegony -  "offspring at a distance" - a belief held from
>before and through Victorian times.

>Some folk, including Darwin, believed that males could somehow
>pass on traits to later children of a woman, even though the
>children were fathered by another man!

>Unbelievably, Telegony was taught, and decreed as a fact in text
>books for up to 70 years without any real attempt at
>verification. No viable tests were ever made, the idea being
>dropped from science fashion only when Mendel's basic logic
>began to dominate.

>More chauvinism from Darwin - in `The Origin of Species' he
>began a chapter on sexual selection: "Man is more courageous,
>pugnacious, and energetic than woman and has more inventive

>note: When women have the chance of equal education they can
>outshine men, and often have greater scientific integrity see

>More of Darwin's sexist (+ racist) chauvinism, in `The Descent
>of Man':- "Woman seems to differ from man in mental disposition
>... these faculties are characteristic of the lower races, and
>therefore of a past and lower state of civilization."

Oh, Lord.

Like any scientist, great or obscure, Darwin was not all-knowing
or all-wise.  So your point is...?  Well, if there is one, that

Unlike you and me,  he was a huge figure in the history of
thought, a man whom history will always honor as a pioneer of
scientific understanding.

At the same time, like you and me, he was a man of his time.
If you and I are remembered at all - which of course is deeply
unlikely - I'm sure some Ray D. of the 22nd Century will
pompously pick apart our failure to rise to the 22nd Century's
level of moral understanding. I'm sure there will be all kinds
of unflattering adjectives thrown our way in an effort to
discredit us intellectually and ethically, of which the least
will be "unintelligent."

Incidentally, in Darwin's time - which was, I ought not to have
to remind you, well before the rise of the feminist movement of
the latter 20th Century - "chauvinism" (you accuse Darwin of it)
had an entirely different meaning, namely bellicose nationalism.
By your sense of superiority and moral entitlement, poor Darwin
doesn't stand a chance.

In any event, he doesn't need Jerry Clark to defend him and his
magnificent accomplishments.

Jerry Clark

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