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Re: Flying Saucers - The Greatest Lie Ever Told

From: David Rudiak <drudiak.nul>
Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 07:53:39 -0700
Archived: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 06:44:55 -0400
Subject: Re: Flying Saucers - The Greatest Lie Ever Told


>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 07:50:27 -0500
>Subject: Re: Flying Saucers - The Greatest Lie Ever Told

>>From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
>>To: <post.nul>
>>Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 23:53:24 -0300
>>Subject: Re: Flying Saucers - The Greatest Lie Ever Told

>>>From: James Carrion <jcarrion.nul>
>>>To: <post.nul>
>>>Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 18:00:25 -0300
>>>Subject: Re: Flying Saucers - The Greatest Lie Ever Told

>>>>From: Martin Shough <parcellular.nul>
>>>>To: <post.nul>
>>>>Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 16:12:31 +0100
>>>>Subject: Re: Flying Saucers - The Greatest Lie Ever Told

>>>>I have only one question:

>>>>How, exactly, was this hoax on Kenneth Arnold carried out?

><snip>

>>>All other arguments are a complete waste of time and only lead
>>>to downward death spirals to nowhere, i.e. the history of
>>>Ufology and its infighting.

>Yeah, that never happens in intelligence - in any armed force,
>government, police, judicial, science...and a million other
>interests, just in the study of this phenomenon.

>>Why waste our time with what we already know.

>>You are sure getting a lot of mileage out of nothing so far. The
>>good thing is, you do have Kathy Kasten on your side.

>>Produce the goods.

>Exactly, Don.

>In instances like these, of which there are almost countless
>examples over the history of ufological discourse (one virtue of
>being in the despised Old Guard: you've seen it all before, and
>you know a latest shiny new toy when you see one), somebody
>conjures up some extraordinary notion, then buttresses and
>follows it with over-the-top rhetoric and demonization of all
>doubters, current and potential.

>James Carrion would be well advised to can the attacks and to
>lay out his case in precise fashion, sans the off-putting
>hyperbole. Only then will we be able to determine if his
>evidence matches his polemics. So far, the latter is sounding a
>lot louder than the former, and the pattern is looking
>dismayingly familiar.

Reminds me a bit of all the recent "explanations" for the 1964
Socorro Lonnie Zamora case, from secret balloon project we were
supposed to find for ourselves to a hoax carried out by New
Mexico Tech students.

The rhetoric by those proposing the theories is indeed eerily
the same. The "Old Guard" is lambasted as narrow-minded and
dottering, incapable of grasping the brilliance of the new,
improved explanation.

There are also never any specifics as to how these alleged
hoaxes were carried off. To Martin Shough's simple, direct query
as to how exactly the Kenneth Arnold sighting could be
explained, James Carrion waved his hands and declared Kenneth
Arnold was a "magic trick" and details would be forthcoming in
the future.

Recently we were told that Socorro was also a "magic trick" by
those clever NMT students and details would be forthcoming. I'm
still waiting for the secret to these magic tricks, such as trap
doors, curtains, smoke machines, and wires hanging from the sky
in the middle of the desert.

There are good reasons why these cases have stood the test of
time. The devil is in the details, and those deriding these
cases never really have even a remotely plausible explanation
that fits the actual details.

Supersonic pelicans anyone?


David Rudiak



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