From: James Carrion <jcarrion.nul> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 14:26:31 -0300 Archived: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 07:35:37 -0400 Subject: Re: Roswell & Flying Saucers [was: The Greatest >From: Stanton T. Friedman <fsphys.nul> >To: <post.nul> >Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 12:18:19 -0300 >Subject: Roswell & Flying Saucers [was: The Greatest Lie...] >James, I really can't follow your reasoning. I think you are starting with >a false premise namely that the US was very worried in 1947 about a Stalin >attack. >_Not_ true. Stan, Please read the declassified Top Secret memo dated August 24, 1946 from Vandenberg to Truman that I located in the Truman library to understand what was being discussed at the top re. fears of Soviet aggression. The fears were real and not imagined or contrived. Here's the link: http://tinyurl.com/7o72hnu [.pdf] >You seem to forget that Brazel showed strange wrekcage to his >neighbors, the Proctors and his other neighbors at the Wade >General Store in Corona on Saturday July 5. That is where he >heard about flying saucers and a reward for finding wreckage. >That is when it was suggested he go to the sherrif's office in >Roswell which he did on July 6. >Major Marcel examined the wreckage, told his boss and was sent >out to Brazel's ranch because there was so much of it. He was >told to take a CIC man with him. His worry was who was spying on >the 509th. >Are you really suggesting there was no strange wreckage in the >big debris field on the ranch? So everybody was lying including >the rancher, his son, Marcel and his son, the Proctors, the >people in Corona, the sheriff and his family? >Why was Brazel picked up on his ranch and brought back to town >and fed a new story by the Army? Nope, something was found and I am not disputing that, but if you are going to admit into evidence something was found on the Brazel ranch, you should not ignore the other "crashed saucers" that occurred at the same time as Roswell, you know the ones that were too small to hold alien bodies: - The one found July 7 by Norman Hargrave on a beach in Texas that was 20 inches in diameter. The one that allegedly had written on it: "Military secret of the United States of America Army Air Forces M 4330657. Anyone damaging or revealing description or whereabouts of this missile is subject to prosecution by the U.S. Government. Call collect at once LD446, Army Air Forces Depot, Spokane, Washington." The same one that Hargrave then changes his mind about and says it was all a hoax. ET proponents readily chalk it up as a hoax but don't bother to ask themselves why the alleged message mentions Spokane, Washington instead of an Air Force Base in Texas? Or how would a businessman in Texas know enough about the AAF to know Spokane Army Air Forces Depot belonged to Twining's Air Material command (AMC)? The AMC in 1947 was responsible for research and development and logistics until 1950, when research and development was split off into a separate organization, the Air Research and Development Command. - The July 7 object that disintegrated over West Rindge, NH reported by E.A. Soucy, SAC of the FBI at Boston (probably the same Mr. Soucy who met or telephoned Hoyt Vandenberg on July 11 per Vandenberg's Calendar). Soucy's report indicated that: "LITTLE BLAZES had been started on a green lawn. Fires were apparently caused by metallic fragments which were turned over to (name deleted) of MIT... (name deleted) has advised that their general (deleted) appearance are /sic/ similar to the lining of /V dash two/V-2 bombs, which he had observed at New Mexico. A metallurgist at MIT said it might have been from a jet turbo plane. At present time he is in process of analyzing two of these pieces. These scientists in roughly reconstructing the metallic object state it was approximately fourteen inches in diameter, three /2-/ sixteenths of an inch thick, and machine tooled, and some fragments indicated they were burned and SCOREOUT appeared to have been subjected to terrific heat. These scientists are treating this matter as classified information." SOUCY Interesting that we have three "crashed saucers" all over the US on or prior to July 7. Two of the three are ignored by the ET Proponents or simply discounted. >Yes, I worked hard to find DuBose and meet with him.He took the >call from Ramey's boss general McMullen saying to get the press >off their backs, send wreckage up to Washington that day with >one of his Colonel couriers, and never talk about it again. I >had no idea what he would say. >Is this all fantasy and lies? Not at all. The "facts" fit just as well for my theory as they do for yours. >I had been lecturing about Flying Saucers since 1967. I didn't >need Roswell, or any story I couldn't back up with facts. >Stan Friedman You mean like the facts you ignored from the email I sent you about the whereabouts of Spaatz between July 7 - 11, 1947? Here's the article on my website to refresh your memory: http://tinyurl.com/755semt Nothing like being in charge of the brand spanking new US Air Force and have not only a watershed event in human history occur on your watch while you are out fishing but then have your newly minted military service wet itself with an embarrassing news gaffe. James Listen to 'Strange Days... Indeed' - The PodCast At: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/sdi/program/ These contents above are copyright of the author and UFO UpDates - Toronto. They may not be reproduced without the express permission of both parties and are intended for educational use only.
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