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Re: Roswell & Flying Saucers [was: The Greatest

From: James Carrion <jcarrion.nul>
Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 14:26:31 -0300
Archived: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 07:35:37 -0400
Subject: Re: Roswell & Flying Saucers [was: The Greatest

>From: Stanton T. Friedman <fsphys.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 12:18:19 -0300
>Subject: Roswell & Flying Saucers [was: The Greatest Lie...]

>James, I really can't follow your reasoning. I think you are starting with
>a false premise namely that the US was very worried in 1947 about a Stalin

>_Not_ true.


Please read the declassified Top Secret memo dated August 24,
1946 from Vandenberg to Truman that I located in the Truman
library to understand what was being discussed at the top re.
fears of Soviet aggression. The fears were real and not imagined
or contrived. Here's the link:

http://tinyurl.com/7o72hnu [.pdf]

>You seem to forget that Brazel showed strange wrekcage to his
>neighbors, the Proctors and his other neighbors at the Wade
>General Store in Corona on Saturday July 5. That is where he
>heard about flying saucers and a reward for finding wreckage.

>That is when it was suggested he go to the sherrif's office in
>Roswell which he did on July 6.

>Major Marcel examined the wreckage, told his boss and was sent
>out to Brazel's ranch because there was so much of it. He was
>told to take a CIC man with him. His worry was who was spying on
>the 509th.

>Are you really suggesting there was no strange wreckage in the
>big debris field on the ranch? So everybody was lying including
>the rancher, his son, Marcel and his son, the Proctors, the
>people in Corona, the sheriff and his family?

>Why was Brazel picked up on his ranch and brought back to town
>and fed a new story by the Army?

Nope, something was found and I am not disputing that, but if
you are going to admit into evidence something was found on the
Brazel ranch, you should not ignore the other "crashed saucers"
that occurred at the same time as Roswell, you know the ones
that were too small to hold alien bodies:

- The one found July 7 by Norman Hargrave on a beach in Texas
that was 20 inches in diameter. The one that allegedly had
written on it: "Military secret of the United States of America
Army Air Forces M 4330657. Anyone damaging or revealing
description or whereabouts of this missile is subject to
prosecution by the U.S. Government. Call collect at once LD446,
Army Air Forces Depot, Spokane, Washington."  The same one that
Hargrave then changes his mind about and says it was all a hoax.

ET proponents readily chalk it up as a hoax but don't bother to
ask themselves why the alleged message mentions Spokane,
Washington instead of an Air Force Base in Texas? Or how would a
businessman in Texas know enough about the AAF to know Spokane
Army Air Forces Depot belonged to Twining's Air Material command
(AMC)? The AMC in 1947 was responsible for research and
development and logistics until 1950, when research and
development was split off into a separate organization, the Air
Research and Development Command.

- The July 7 object that disintegrated over West Rindge, NH
reported by E.A. Soucy, SAC of the FBI at Boston (probably the
same Mr. Soucy who met or telephoned Hoyt Vandenberg on July 11
per Vandenberg's Calendar).

Soucy's report indicated that:

"LITTLE BLAZES had been started on a green lawn.  Fires were
apparently caused by metallic fragments which were turned over
to (name deleted) of MIT...  (name deleted) has advised that
their general (deleted) appearance are /sic/ similar to the
lining of /V dash two/V-2 bombs, which he had observed at New
Mexico. A metallurgist at MIT said it might have been from a jet
turbo plane. At present time he is in process of analyzing two
of these pieces. These scientists in roughly reconstructing the
metallic object state it was approximately fourteen inches in
diameter, three /2-/ sixteenths of an inch thick, and machine
tooled, and some fragments indicated they were burned and
SCOREOUT appeared to have been subjected to terrific heat.
These scientists are treating this matter as classified
information."  SOUCY

Interesting that we have three "crashed saucers" all over the US
on or prior to July 7. Two of the three are ignored by the ET
Proponents or simply discounted.

>Yes, I worked hard to find DuBose and meet with him.He took the
>call from Ramey's boss general McMullen saying to get the press
>off their backs, send wreckage up to Washington that day with
>one of his Colonel couriers, and never talk about it again. I
>had no idea what he would say.

>Is this all fantasy and lies?

Not at all. The "facts" fit just as well for my theory as they
do for yours.

>I had been lecturing about Flying Saucers since 1967. I didn't
>need Roswell, or any story I couldn't back up with facts.

>Stan Friedman

You mean like the facts you ignored from the email I sent you
about the whereabouts of Spaatz between July 7 - 11, 1947?
Here's the article on my website to refresh your memory:


Nothing like being in charge of the brand spanking new US Air
Force and have not only a watershed event in human history occur
on your watch while you are out fishing but then have your newly
minted military service wet itself with an embarrassing news


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