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Re: Roswell & Flying Saucers

From: Kathy Kasten <catraja.nul>
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 22:18:46 +0000
Archived: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 15:15:31 -0400
Subject: Re: Roswell & Flying Saucers

>From: James Carrion <jcarrion.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 14:26:31 -0300
>Subject: Re: Roswell & Flying Saucers [was: The Greatest Lie...]

>>From: Stanton T. Friedman <fsphys.nul>
>>To: <post.nul>
>>Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 12:18:19 -0300
>>Subject: Roswell & Flying Saucers [was: The Greatest Lie...]


>>Are you really suggesting there was no strange wreckage in the
>>big debris field on the ranch? So everybody was lying including
>>the rancher, his son, Marcel and his son, the Proctors, the
>>people in Corona, the sheriff and his family?

>>Why was Brazel picked up on his ranch and brought back to town
>>and fed a new story by the Army?

>Nope, something was found and I am not disputing that, but if
>you are going to admit into evidence something was found on the
>Brazel ranch, you should not ignore the other "crashed saucers"
>that occurred at the same time as Roswell, you know the ones
>that were too small to hold alien bodies:

>- The one found July 7 by Norman Hargrave on a beach in Texas
>that was 20 inches in diameter. The one that allegedly had
>written on it: "Military secret of the United States of America
>Army Air Forces M 4330657. Anyone damaging or revealing
>description or whereabouts of this missile is subject to
>prosecution by the U.S. Government. Call collect at once LD446,
>Army Air Forces Depot, Spokane, Washington." The same one that
>Hargrave then changes his mind about and says it was all a hoax.

>ET proponents readily chalk it up as a hoax but don't bother to
>ask themselves why the alleged message mentions Spokane,
>Washington instead of an Air Force Base in Texas? Or how would a
>businessman in Texas know enough about the AAF to know Spokane
>Army Air Forces Depot belonged to Twining's Air Material command
>(AMC)? The AMC in 1947 was responsible for research and
>development and logistics until 1950, when research and
>development was split off into a separate organization, the Air
>Research and Development Command.

>- The July 7 object that disintegrated over West Rindge, NH
>reported by E.A. Soucy, SAC of the FBI at Boston (probably the
>same Mr. Soucy who met or telephoned Hoyt Vandenberg on July 11
>per Vandenberg's Calendar).

>Soucy's report indicated that:

>"LITTLE BLAZES had been started on a green lawn. Fires were
>apparently caused by metallic fragments which were turned over
>to (name deleted) of MIT... (name deleted) has advised that
>their general (deleted) appearance are /sic/ similar to the
>lining of /V dash two/V-2 bombs, which he had observed at New
>Mexico. A metallurgist at MIT said it might have been from a jet
>turbo plane. At present time he is in process of analyzing two
>of these pieces. These scientists in roughly reconstructing the
>metallic object state it was approximately fourteen inches in
>diameter, three /2-/ sixteenths of an inch thick, and machine
>tooled, and some fragments indicated they were burned and
>SCOREOUT appeared to have been subjected to terrific heat.
>These scientists are treating this matter as classified
>information." SOUCY

>Interesting that we have three "crashed saucers" all over the US
>on or prior to July 7. Two of the three are ignored by the ET
>Proponents or simply discounted.

>>Yes, I worked hard to find DuBose and meet with him.He took the
>>call from Ramey's boss general McMullen saying to get the press
>>off their backs, send wreckage up to Washington that day with
>>one of his Colonel couriers, and never talk about it again. I
>>had no idea what he would say.

>>Is this all fantasy and lies?

>Not at all. The "facts" fit just as well for my theory as they
>do for yours.

>>I had been lecturing about Flying Saucers since 1967. I didn't
>>need Roswell, or any story I couldn't back up with facts.

>>Stan Friedman

>You mean like the facts you ignored from the email I sent you
>about the whereabouts of Spaatz between July 7 - 11, 1947?
>Here's the article on my website to refresh your memory:


>Nothing like being in charge of the brand spanking new US Air
>Force and have not only a watershed event in human history occur
>on your watch while you are out fishing but then have your newly
>minted military service wet itself with an embarrassing news


Finally, I am getting what I wished for. Data from outside the
usual sources. It is refreshing and I like that the dialog is
being raised to another level.

Me? I took another path to get to different conclusion. However,
I decided not to share info.

I admire James for sallying forth and just taking on the old
guard. I admit I haven't been lecturing and researching everyday
and immersed myself in this topic. I really wanted to walk away
after being burnt by rejection notices and went back to writing
novels. But, this topic is like a drug and I like lively
discussions. It is the one thing I miss when I bury myself in
focusing on the novel.


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