From: Kathy Kasten <catraja.nul> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 22:18:46 +0000 Archived: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 15:15:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Roswell & Flying Saucers >From: James Carrion <jcarrion.nul> >To: <post.nul> >Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 14:26:31 -0300 >Subject: Re: Roswell & Flying Saucers [was: The Greatest Lie...] >>From: Stanton T. Friedman <fsphys.nul> >>To: <post.nul> >>Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 12:18:19 -0300 >>Subject: Roswell & Flying Saucers [was: The Greatest Lie...] <snip> >>Are you really suggesting there was no strange wreckage in the >>big debris field on the ranch? So everybody was lying including >>the rancher, his son, Marcel and his son, the Proctors, the >>people in Corona, the sheriff and his family? >>Why was Brazel picked up on his ranch and brought back to town >>and fed a new story by the Army? >Nope, something was found and I am not disputing that, but if >you are going to admit into evidence something was found on the >Brazel ranch, you should not ignore the other "crashed saucers" >that occurred at the same time as Roswell, you know the ones >that were too small to hold alien bodies: >- The one found July 7 by Norman Hargrave on a beach in Texas >that was 20 inches in diameter. The one that allegedly had >written on it: "Military secret of the United States of America >Army Air Forces M 4330657. Anyone damaging or revealing >description or whereabouts of this missile is subject to >prosecution by the U.S. Government. Call collect at once LD446, >Army Air Forces Depot, Spokane, Washington." The same one that >Hargrave then changes his mind about and says it was all a hoax. >ET proponents readily chalk it up as a hoax but don't bother to >ask themselves why the alleged message mentions Spokane, >Washington instead of an Air Force Base in Texas? Or how would a >businessman in Texas know enough about the AAF to know Spokane >Army Air Forces Depot belonged to Twining's Air Material command >(AMC)? The AMC in 1947 was responsible for research and >development and logistics until 1950, when research and >development was split off into a separate organization, the Air >Research and Development Command. >- The July 7 object that disintegrated over West Rindge, NH >reported by E.A. Soucy, SAC of the FBI at Boston (probably the >same Mr. Soucy who met or telephoned Hoyt Vandenberg on July 11 >per Vandenberg's Calendar). >Soucy's report indicated that: >"LITTLE BLAZES had been started on a green lawn. Fires were >apparently caused by metallic fragments which were turned over >to (name deleted) of MIT... (name deleted) has advised that >their general (deleted) appearance are /sic/ similar to the >lining of /V dash two/V-2 bombs, which he had observed at New >Mexico. A metallurgist at MIT said it might have been from a jet >turbo plane. At present time he is in process of analyzing two >of these pieces. These scientists in roughly reconstructing the >metallic object state it was approximately fourteen inches in >diameter, three /2-/ sixteenths of an inch thick, and machine >tooled, and some fragments indicated they were burned and >SCOREOUT appeared to have been subjected to terrific heat. >These scientists are treating this matter as classified >information." SOUCY >Interesting that we have three "crashed saucers" all over the US >on or prior to July 7. Two of the three are ignored by the ET >Proponents or simply discounted. >>Yes, I worked hard to find DuBose and meet with him.He took the >>call from Ramey's boss general McMullen saying to get the press >>off their backs, send wreckage up to Washington that day with >>one of his Colonel couriers, and never talk about it again. I >>had no idea what he would say. >>Is this all fantasy and lies? >Not at all. The "facts" fit just as well for my theory as they >do for yours. >>I had been lecturing about Flying Saucers since 1967. I didn't >>need Roswell, or any story I couldn't back up with facts. >>Stan Friedman >You mean like the facts you ignored from the email I sent you >about the whereabouts of Spaatz between July 7 - 11, 1947? >Here's the article on my website to refresh your memory: >http://tinyurl.com/755semt >Nothing like being in charge of the brand spanking new US Air >Force and have not only a watershed event in human history occur >on your watch while you are out fishing but then have your newly >minted military service wet itself with an embarrassing news >gaffe. >James Finally, I am getting what I wished for. Data from outside the usual sources. It is refreshing and I like that the dialog is being raised to another level. Me? I took another path to get to different conclusion. However, I decided not to share info. I admire James for sallying forth and just taking on the old guard. I admit I haven't been lecturing and researching everyday and immersed myself in this topic. I really wanted to walk away after being burnt by rejection notices and went back to writing novels. But, this topic is like a drug and I like lively discussions. It is the one thing I miss when I bury myself in focusing on the novel. KK Listen to 'Strange Days... Indeed' - The PodCast At: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/sdi/program/ These contents above are copyright of the author and UFO UpDates - Toronto. They may not be reproduced without the express permission of both parties and are intended for educational use only.
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