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Re: Roswell & Flying Saucers

From: James Carrion <jcarrion.nul>
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 20:23:46 -0300
Archived: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 08:13:39 -0400
Subject: Re: Roswell & Flying Saucers

>From: Stanton T. Friedman <fsphys.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 18:59:47 -0300
>Subject: Re: Roswell & Flying Saucers


>>Please read the declassified Top Secret memo dated August 24,
>>1946 from Vandenberg to Truman that I located in the Truman
>>library to understand what was being discussed at the top re.
>>fears of Soviet aggression. The fears were real and not
>>imagined or contrived. Here's the link:

>>http://tinyurl.com/7o72hnu [.pdf]


>It seems to me that the 27 Sept. memo from Vandenberg negates
>the fears expressed in the Sept. 24 memo. Certainly no great
>fear of the Societs attacking the US immenintly. No atom bomb,
>no long distance >bombers no need for the wild disinfor- mation
>program you suggest and have not provided any evidence for. As I
>noted the bomb and bombers weren't anticipated for several

You are missing the point Stan as what the memos show is how
fluid the national security situation was during that time,
where one month indications are we will be attacked, and the
next month tensions ease. This high level of anxiety coupled
with the ongoing revelations that the Soviets had infiltrated
all levels of American Society is what would spur a
counterintelligence operation to expose these Soviet spies and

As for what you call a wild disinformation story, consider this:

No one on this List has offered up a plausible alternative
explanation for why Project Seal was being promoted in 1947 by
the principal scientists involved even though the project was
killed off in 1945, this coming to light only after the project
was declassified decades later. At that time the press believed
that the US was in possession of a weapon, possibly airborne,
that was more potent than the atomic bomb. I have conclusively
dissected the newspaper stories and the statements that were
made and have shown a mixture of true and false statements based
on the declassified documents.

No one on this List has offered an alternative explanation for
the newspaper article that came out on June 14, 1947 captioned
as "Spaceship Here" that details a contract awarded to Douglas
Aircraft for creating a 2,200 MPH aircraft, a contract that
never existed, and something that was not achieved until
Lockheed created the SR-71.

No one on this List has offered an alternative explanation for
the July 13, 1947 news article about a NEPTUNE rocket created at
White Sands that could fly at 8000 MPH and in the article quoted
an Army Spokesman calling it a Navy Project, but the alleged
missile cannot be found in the annals of missile history.

So here are just three examples of the press being fed a bunch
of baloney stories by the military and the science community,
for nonexistent weapons and projects which just so happen to
either be assumed to be or  actually of the high-speed airborne
type. Two of the three stories predate even Maury Island. For
whose benefit was all of this concocted? The answer is simple -
it was for the Soviets - who were not only reading these
disinformation stories with interest but then also reading soon
after about the widely reported flying saucers - strange high
speed objects skimming all over the United States.

>Are you really suggesting that all UFO reports are connected
>with all other reports? I don't think so. The amount of evidence
>for Roswell is far larger than for the others. Listen to
>Recollections Of Roswell.

No. What I am suggesting is you can't cherry pick your evidence
just because your favorite incident has more data. How do you
explain the 20 inch saucer found in West Rindge, NH that
scientists examine fragments of and determined to be similar to
a V-2 missile part?  That's one that you can't just chalk up to
the amateurish garbage can lids and saw blade hoaxes that were
being reported in the press.

>Sorry, James, General Twining's daughter told me that Port
>Aransas, Texas, was a favorite fishing haunt of USAF brass.

>General Twining's pilot told me that fishing and hunting
>expeditions were looked upon as very useful for open,
>off-the-record discussions.

>You haven't mentioned the articles clearly showing Twining's
>involvment with Flying Saucers including on the front page of
>the Roswell Daily Record on July 8 or his letter to Boeing on
>July 17 noting that he had been unable to go there because of
>a very important matter that had come up... "been away quite a
>bit". He was in New Mexico from July 7-11.

>Yes, as was common on fast breaking stories there were
>differences in detail in some of the press accounts... just as
>Haut's name was spelled 4 different ways.

You are again missing the point. My question to you is where do
you think Spaatz was between July 7 - 11, not Twining.


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