From: Don Ecsedy <don.nul> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 14:02:00 -0400 (EDT) Archived: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 08:51:21 -0400 Subject: Re: Flying Saucers - The Greatest Lie Ever Told >From: James Carrion <jcarrion.nul> >To: <post.nul> >Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 08:44:54 -0300 >Subject: Re: Flying Saucers - The Greatest Lie Ever Told >>From: Don Ecsedy <don.nul> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <post.nul> >>Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 11:17:18 -0400 (EDT) >>Subject: Re: Flying Saucers - The Greatest Lie Ever Told >>Why would the Soviets encrypt news stories in peacetime? >>There were no odds of the Luftwaffe or U-Boats interferring >>with their delivery. Why not just put the clippings, collected >>by their embassies and consulates, in a 'diplomatic pouch', and >>fly them to the Kremlin? >Don, >Take a look at the Wikipedia Article on the Army Security >Agency/NSA's Project Shamrock. The Russians thought their >encryption was unbreakable and therefore heavily used Commercial >Telegraph carriers for most of their communications. RCA, ITT >and Western Union provided the ASA/NSA with copies of all of >these outgoing telegram's from 1945 on. Project Venona was the >ASA/NSA project that worked on painstakingly breaking the code. >Venona was also the project that exposed the extents of Soviet >espionage in the US. >James A few things I have no argument over: Seal might have been developed in 1947 as a disinfo project, and I've also wondered whether the AF might have produced a saucer on the ground hoax or two in 1947. So, stipulating to such a scenario... It appears to me that the development of a disinfo operation using Seal was cut short by the flying saucer wave rather than the wave being a development of the operation. During the wave, did anyone draw attention to the super weapon story and relate it to the saucers? An allusion to the secret super weapon having something to do with something in the air had only been broached by the operation when the report of Arnold's sighting went national. I'd think the operation would have wanted to develop that allusion more fully before launching the wave - assuming they could have launched the wave in the first place. The fact it was not so developed in the national media and that no one (at least that I know of) connected the two, is a strong circumstantial argument against the flying saucer wave being a product of the operation. It looks to me as if the operation was aborted by the wave. Whether or not the Soviets would have coded up stories from US newspapers - the US wasn't the only nation reporting on the saucers. I understood you to mean the authorities were looking to spot Soviet undercover informants - subversives - rather than the activities of the embassy, consulates, and known or suspected agents. This was why Brown and Davidson were interested in certains kinds of mail Arnold was receiving, or so I understand you. Certain groups had been of interest to both the CIC and the FBI for more than a decade, and these groups and individuals are among those likely to have written to Arnold. For example, men and women who were the up and coming generation of science fiction writers and editors had a history in the 1930s especially of association with Communist Party front organizations. In fact, Jim Pobst wrote he had evidence that Richard Shaver was a party agitator in the early 30s in Detroit. Some of the theosophists (what today is called New Age), Meade Layne especially, also were persons of interest. There were other space opera cults besides the fans of Shaver, and Forteans who were resoundingly 'anti-establishment'. The CIC and the FBI had reasons for wanting information about them whether or not the Seal operation was true or not. Regards, Don www.foreshadower.net Listen to 'Strange Days... Indeed' - The PodCast At: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/sdi/program/ These contents above are copyright of the author and UFO UpDates - Toronto. They may not be reproduced without the express permission of both parties and are intended for educational use only.
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