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Re: Flying Saucers - The Greatest Lie Ever Told

From: Don Ecsedy <don.nul>
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 14:02:00 -0400 (EDT)
Archived: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 08:51:21 -0400
Subject: Re: Flying Saucers - The Greatest Lie Ever Told


>From: James Carrion <jcarrion.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 08:44:54 -0300
>Subject: Re: Flying Saucers - The Greatest Lie Ever Told

>>From: Don Ecsedy <don.nul>
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <post.nul>
>>Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 11:17:18 -0400 (EDT)
>>Subject: Re: Flying Saucers - The Greatest Lie Ever Told

>>Why would the Soviets encrypt news stories in peacetime?

>>There were no odds of the Luftwaffe or U-Boats interferring
>>with their delivery. Why not just put the clippings, collected
>>by their embassies and consulates, in a 'diplomatic pouch', and
>>fly them to the Kremlin?

>Don,

>Take a look at the Wikipedia Article on the Army Security
>Agency/NSA's Project Shamrock. The Russians thought their
>encryption was unbreakable and therefore heavily used Commercial
>Telegraph carriers for most of their communications. RCA, ITT
>and Western Union provided the ASA/NSA with copies of all of
>these outgoing telegram's from 1945 on. Project Venona was the
>ASA/NSA project that worked on painstakingly breaking the code.
>Venona was also the project that exposed the extents of Soviet
>espionage in the US.

>James

A few things I have no argument over: Seal might have been
developed in 1947 as a disinfo project, and I've also wondered
whether the AF might have produced a saucer on the ground hoax
or two in 1947. So, stipulating to such a scenario...

It appears to me that the development of a disinfo operation
using Seal was cut short by the flying saucer wave rather than
the wave being a development of the operation. During the wave,
did anyone draw attention to the super weapon story and relate
it to the saucers? An allusion to the secret super weapon having
something to do with something in the air had only been broached
by the operation when the report of Arnold's sighting went
national. I'd think the operation would have wanted to develop
that allusion more fully before launching the wave - assuming
they could have launched the wave in the first place. The fact
it was not so developed in the national media and that no one
(at least that I know of) connected the two, is a strong
circumstantial argument against the flying saucer wave being a
product of the operation. It looks to me as if the operation was
aborted by the wave.

Whether or not the Soviets would have coded up stories from US
newspapers - the US wasn't the only nation reporting on the
saucers. I understood you to mean the authorities were looking
to spot Soviet undercover informants - subversives - rather than
the activities of the embassy, consulates, and known or
suspected agents. This was why Brown and Davidson were
interested in certains kinds of mail Arnold was receiving, or so
I understand you. Certain groups had been of interest to both
the CIC and the FBI for more than a decade, and these groups and
individuals are among those likely to have written to Arnold.
For example, men and women who were the up and coming generation
of science fiction writers and editors had a history in the
1930s especially of association with Communist Party front
organizations. In fact, Jim Pobst wrote he had evidence that
Richard Shaver was a party agitator in the early 30s in Detroit.
Some of the theosophists (what today is called New Age), Meade
Layne especially, also were persons of interest. There were
other space opera cults besides the fans of Shaver, and Forteans
who were resoundingly 'anti-establishment'.  The CIC and the FBI
had reasons for wanting information about them whether or not
the Seal operation was true or not.


Regards,

Don
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