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Re: Flying Saucers - The Greatest Lie Ever Told

From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 11:23:43 -0300
Archived: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 13:12:56 -0400
Subject: Re: Flying Saucers - The Greatest Lie Ever Told


>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 08:47:05 -0500
>Subject: Re: Flying Saucers - The Greatest Lie Ever Told

>>From: James Carrion <jcarrion.nul>
>>To: <post.nul>
>>Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 09:05:42 -0300
>>Subject: Re: Flying Saucers - The Greatest Lie Ever Told

>>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
>>>To: post.nul
>>>Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 07:58:20 -0500
>>>Subject: Re: Flying Saucers - The Greatest Lie Ever Told

>>>No credentialed historian, it bears noting, has come to
>>>conclusions remotely like yours. And you can't even retort that
>>>UFOs are not respectable enough for respectable historians to
>>>take up (except, of course, as absurd popular enthusiasm). True
>>>enough, but plenty have written about the operations and abuses
>>>of U.S. intelligence in the post-war years. If your conclusions
>>>were true, the credentialed historian responsible for exposing
>>>them could count on a big article in the New York Times and a
>>>lot of approving attention from colleagues. I can see the
>>>headlines already.

>>Jerry,

>>The US Air Force Warrior Studies commissioned an interesting Air
>>Force History document by Dr. Diane T. Putney titled "ULTRA and
>>the Army Air Forces in WW2".

>>Here are some relevant excerpts:

>>"ULTRA remained the great secret of WW2 for nearly 30 years
>>after the war..."

>>"Two books published in 1967 and 1973 in Polish and French,
>>respectively, revealed that ENIGMA intercepts were broken and
>>read, but the books received little notice. (Until) in 1974,
>>Frederick W. Winterbotham, the British group captain who
>>established the Special Liaison Units and who was responsible
>>for ULTRA's security, published his memoir, The Ultra Secret,
>>which became an instant bestseller."

>>"The initial revelations about ULTRA led some people to
>>speculate that reputations of some Allied commanders would have
>>to be revised, that ULTRA was responsible for the Allied
>>victory, and that the history of WW2 would have to be rewritten.
>>Historians were willing to reexamine their conclusions in light
>>of new evidence, but they still had to wait years until the U.S.
>>and British governments declassified and released ULTRA
>>documents."

>>So here we have a precedent of factual information being ignored
>>by historians in 1967 and 1973 until someone 'in the know'
>>revealed ULTRA as a reality. Just because no credentialed
>>historian has come to my conclusions does not mean that the
>>reality behind my theory does not exist.

>I don't think this really addresses my point, but if you have
>the evidence, let's see it. Pull yourself away from Updates and
>start writing up your case, the best you can argue it, in a
>formal paper.

>Till then, we're all wasting time.


Absolutely right, Jerry.

Tis Ultra BS is old snooze. Been known since the mid 60s even by
western writers. Bill Stevenson learned of this from William
Stephenson while interviewing the latter for his book about his
setting up the SOE.

Gotta go.


Don Ledger



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