From: Kathy Kasten <catraja.nul> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 16:07:08 +0000 Archived: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 05:53:11 -0400 Subject: Re: Contacts Abductions & Convictions >From: Gildas Bourdais <bourdais.gildas.nul> >To: <post.nul> >Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 15:54:26 +0200 >Subject: Re: Contacts Abductions & Convictions >>From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul> >>To: <post.nul> >>Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 15:01:22 +0100 >>Subject: Re: Contacts Abductions & Convictions >>>From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul> >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <post.nul> >>>Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 06:37:14 +0100 >>>Subject: Contacts Abductions & Convictions >><snip> >>>Jacobs's accounts indicate that the 'invaders' contact and >>>instruct people mostly at night/mainly telepathically/and are >>>deceptive and sometimes destructive BUT seem to follow a logic >>>and a set of rules of their own. > >><snip> > >>>zhat is strangely like the histories of other-worldly encounters >>>we find stretching back for millenia. Therefore, by following >>>the ancient rules as laid down, modern experiencers could maybe >>>protect themselves. > >>>History's rules: historical accounts say that religious >>>'believers' can escape any danger by calling on their God. But >>>the accounts also say that non-religious folk can also be immune >>>IF they address the entity(s) logically, first asking for a >>>name/identity, and then for a reason or motive for the >>>visitation, and then proceeding rationally and dispassionately. >><snip> >>Hello List, >>Received some off-list comment on that post, mostly approving. >>Even so, am realizing that the subject deserved more examination. >>In particular, if we take those conclusions about the past - by >>Vallee, Hynek, Keel, and now Jacobs - at face value, they raise >>questions about probable lack of integrity (to say the least) in >>our existing power structures - for instance in policing, >>politics, judiciary and finance. >>As we saw, it seems that individuals most prone to attack and >>subversion by `entities' are those without strong ethics, and/or >>without a good grounding in science, natural philosophy or maybe >>even sound `husbandry' of one kind or another. And, again >>looking back at the folk-record, we see that persons seeking >>gain or self-advantage in dealings with the `tricksters' almost >>always end up in thrall to them, by various kinds of >>enslavement. >>That amounts to a double-whammy against the big-wheels in >>policing, politics, the judiciary and finance (and media?), who >>are notoriously deficient in knowledge _and_ ethics (because >>their careers are built around the need for power, _not_ for >>knowledge or even thought/meditation) and whose every action is >>ruled by greed. >>So, if Vallee, Hynek, Keel, and Jacobs are right about the >>history of `abductions' and `interventions', what does that say >>about the methods (probably non-humane), and the motives >>(possibly non-human) of our leaders? >>I.e. whose interests are they likely to be serving? >Ray and List, >I have not followd this thread, but I just read this message and >I strongly disagree with it. Firstly, how can you put together >people as different as Vallee and Jacobs? Their views on ufos, >and even more on abductions, are practically opposite. In >addition to that, I don't agree at all with your opinion that >individuals most prone to attack and subversion by 'entities' >are those without strong ethics, etc. What about Betty and >Barney Hill, Travis Walton and so many others, to begin with? Or >maybe you are not considering abductions? Gildas: I don't think Ray was referring to the researchers, but their evaluation of the abductee's response to the event called abduction. At least that is how I read it. The abductee was the focus of the comment. KK Listen to 'Strange Days... Indeed' - The PodCast At: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/sdi/program/ These contents above are copyright of the author and UFO UpDates - Toronto. They may not be reproduced without the express permission of both parties and are intended for educational use only.
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