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Re: Contacts Abductions & Convictions

From: Kathy Kasten <catraja.nul>
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 16:07:08 +0000
Archived: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 05:53:11 -0400
Subject: Re: Contacts Abductions & Convictions

>From: Gildas Bourdais <bourdais.gildas.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 15:54:26 +0200
>Subject: Re: Contacts Abductions & Convictions

>>From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
>>To: <post.nul>
>>Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 15:01:22 +0100
>>Subject: Re: Contacts Abductions & Convictions

>>>From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <post.nul>
>>>Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 06:37:14 +0100
>>>Subject: Contacts Abductions & Convictions


>>>Jacobs's accounts indicate that the 'invaders' contact and
>>>instruct people mostly at night/mainly telepathically/and are
>>>deceptive and sometimes destructive BUT seem to follow a logic
>>>and a set of rules of their own.
>>>zhat is strangely like the histories of other-worldly encounters
>>>we find stretching back for millenia. Therefore, by following
>>>the ancient rules as laid down, modern experiencers could maybe
>>>protect themselves.
>>>History's rules: historical accounts say that religious
>>>'believers' can escape any danger by calling on their God. But
>>>the accounts also say that non-religious folk can also be immune
>>>IF they address the entity(s) logically, first asking for a
>>>name/identity, and then for a reason or motive for the
>>>visitation, and then proceeding rationally and dispassionately.


>>Hello List,

>>Received some off-list comment on that post, mostly approving.
>>Even so, am realizing that the subject deserved more examination.

>>In particular, if we take those conclusions about the past - by
>>Vallee, Hynek, Keel, and now Jacobs - at face value, they raise
>>questions about probable lack of integrity (to say the least) in
>>our existing power structures - for instance in policing,
>>politics, judiciary and finance.

>>As we saw, it seems that individuals most prone to attack and
>>subversion by `entities' are those without strong ethics, and/or
>>without a good grounding in science, natural philosophy or maybe
>>even sound `husbandry' of one kind or another. And, again
>>looking back at the folk-record, we see that persons seeking
>>gain or self-advantage in dealings with the `tricksters' almost
>>always end up in thrall to them, by various kinds of

>>That amounts to a double-whammy against the big-wheels in
>>policing, politics, the judiciary and finance (and media?), who
>>are notoriously deficient in knowledge _and_ ethics (because
>>their careers are built around the need for power, _not_ for
>>knowledge or even thought/meditation) and whose every action is
>>ruled by greed.

>>So, if Vallee, Hynek, Keel, and Jacobs are right about the
>>history of `abductions' and `interventions', what does that say
>>about the methods (probably non-humane), and the motives
>>(possibly non-human) of our leaders?

>>I.e. whose interests are they likely to be serving?

>Ray and List,

>I have not followd this thread, but I just read this message and
>I strongly disagree with it. Firstly, how can you put together
>people as different as Vallee and Jacobs? Their views on ufos,
>and even more on abductions, are practically opposite. In
>addition to that, I don't agree at all with your opinion that
>individuals most prone to attack and subversion by 'entities'
>are those without strong ethics, etc. What about Betty and
>Barney Hill, Travis Walton and so many others, to begin with? Or
>maybe you are not considering abductions?


I don't think Ray was referring to the researchers, but their
evaluation of the abductee's response to the event called
abduction. At least that is how I read it. The abductee was the
focus of the comment.


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