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Re: Sampling Earth's Biodiversity

From: J. Maynard Gelinas <j.maynard.gelinas.nul>
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 05:16:31 +0800
Archived: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 08:19:54 -0500
Subject: Re: Sampling Earth's Biodiversity


>From: William Treurniet <wtreurniet.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2012 10:51:25 -0500
>Subject: Re: Sampling Earth's Biodiversity


Hi William,

>>From: J. Maynard Gelinas <j.maynard.gelinas.nul>
>>To: post.nul
>>Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 08:57:56 +0800
>>Subject: Re: Sampling Earth's Biodiversity

>>>From: Michael Tarbell<mtarbell.nul>
>>>To: post.nul
>>>Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 09:17:00 -0700
>>>Subject: Re: Sampling Earth's Biodiversity

>>Michael,

>>Thanks for your lengthy and cogent counter-arguments. I'll do my
>>best to defend the initial work, but must admit that your
>>comment forced a lengthy re-think, which is exactly what
>>discussion of this sort ought to do. Rock on!

>><snip>

>>And that's why
>>genetic programming and directed evolution represent a likely
>>means toward deriving useful complex designs. Once you accept
>>this perspective, the only question is whether building 'toy'
>>ecosystems, or using naturally evolved systems, are better means
>>to seek out novel solutions to very difficult problems.

>The naturally evolving system adapts to the environment it is
>in. So if the earth ecosystem is being used as a laboratory to
>work out a new biological system for ETs to use, this new system
>would only be suitable for living on earth, would it not?
>Anywhere else, the environment would be different and thus,
>unsuitable for the new system.

No, I don't think so. All models are incomplete simulations of a
target environment. Were they fully complete, one would simply
build a large series of full scale prototypes. What the model
offers is an opportunity to build out a series of 'toy'
prototypes very cheaply, and then use aspects of the results in
the final product based on a series of assumptions built into
the simulation. However, there is always accepted drift from
simulated to final real-world results. Monte Carlos are a prime
example of this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monte_Carlo_method

>What this means, then, is that using the earth as a laboratory
>for an evolutionary experiment would make sense only if the
>result were to be applied on earth. If the Martians had done
>this, the War of the Worlds would have turned out quite
>differently.

From this perspective, as I noted, the simulated model is the
real world design - which would make it a prototype and not a
model.


Best,

Maynard



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