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Re: Let's Crank It Up A Notch - Cox

From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 10:54:31 -0600
Archived: Tue, 06 Mar 2012 14:38:17 -0500
Subject: Re: Let's Crank It Up A Notch - Cox


>From: John Harney <magonia.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 16:09:14 -0000
>Subject: Re: Let's Crank It Up A Notch - Cox

>>From: Robert Powell <rpowell.nul>
>>To: post.nul
>>Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 07:55:20 -0600
>>Subject: Re: Let's Crank It Up A Notch

>>>From: John Harney <magonia.nul>
>>>To: <post.nul>
>>>Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 17:32:16 -0000
>>>Subject: Re: Let's Crank It Up A Notch - Cox

>>>>From: Gildas Bourdais<bourdais.gildas.nul>
>>>>To:<post.nul>
>>>>Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 17:03:14 +0100
>>>>Subject: Re: Let's Crank It Up A Notch - Cox

>>>>In a few words, here are the main arguments of the skeptics on
>>>>Trans-en-Provence:

>>>>- The round trace on the ground was made by a truck. The
>>>>witness Renato Nicolai admited it could have been, although he
>>>>confirmed at the same time that it was the exact place where he
>>>>had seen the UFO land in his garden. Nice old man!
>>>>- About the strange effects on the surrounding plants, measured
>>>>by professor Bounias : he goofed in his tests, and CNES engineer
>>>>Velasco doctored the plants in his micro wave oven (a brillant
>>>>suspicion of Robert Alessandri);

>>>>- Finally, the obvious conclusion: Nicolai made a joke.
>>>>Case solved!

>>>Yes, I couldn't have put it better myself. Unfortunately I
>>>haven't managed to find a detailed account of Maillot's
>>>investigation in English on the Web, but the French version is
>>>available, with diagrams, at:

>>>http://www.zetetique.org/tep.html

>>Gildas, yes, I knew you were joking.

>>I just wanted to see if John Harney could make some arguments by
>>himself. And apparently, he still cannot.

>>All he can do is cite a website. Anyone can do that.

>>Perhaps I could just say, "go read the original scientific
>>report." Centre National D'Etudes Spatiales. No.16 Technical
>>Report. Toulouse March 1, 1983. "January 1981 Trace Analysis."

>>That is hardly what I would consider making an argument.

>>What exactly are your main reasons that explain Trans-en-
>>Provence, John? Can you list them yourself?

>As I have already noted, Gildas Bourdais has given you an
>excellent brief summary of the reasons for not taking the Trans-
>en-Provence story too seriously. Some people were impressed by
>the scientific studies of the vegetation at the alleged UFO
>landing site, but no good reason is given to believe that the
>effects described could not have been caused by people walking
>or driving over it.

>The real mystery about this and other such stories is the
>question of why intelligent, well-educated people would want to
>believe such nonsense.

>>I think Jerry Clark's reply to John Harney was probably the most
>>appropriate:

>>"There's a pretty serious distinction between 'skeptical' and 'a
>>skeptic.' All sensible persons are skeptical when need be. It
>>takes another kind of person - a lock-step ideologue,
>>specifically - to be 'a skeptic,' through which sensibility
>>everything must be processed like so much sausage.".

>This is quite meaningless. People are sceptical of such stories
>because of such things as the lack of multiple, independent
>witnesses, and because of inconsistencies and sloppy
>investigation techniques. There are a few fairly good,
>unexplained UFO cases - although it seems that the true
>explantions are unlikely to be exotic - but Trans-en-Provence
>is obviously not one of them.


This of course is precisely the sort of non-answer - not to
mention casual misrepresentation of the UFO evidence - that we
would expect from a hard-core ideologue like John Harney. To
wit: more sausage processing, more lock-stop dismissal, more
faith-based certainty that nothing "exotic" is going on, more
entirely predictable endorsements of fellow "skeptics'" alleged
solutions to cases.

How uninteresting. Why, I ask myself after all these years, are
we even wasting time with these guys?


Jerry Clark





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