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Re: Inter-Dimensional Or Demonic

From: David Rudiak <drudiak.nul>
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 19:47:24 -0800
Archived: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 05:20:13 -0500
Subject: Re:  Inter-Dimensional Or Demonic


>From: Kathy Kasten <catraja.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 19:33:42 +0000
>Subject: Re: Inter-Dimensional Or Demonic

>>From: David Rudiak <drudiak.nul>
>>To: post.nul
>>Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 14:06:53 -0800
>>Subject: Re: Inter-Dimensional Or Demonic

>>>From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
>>>To: <post.nul>
>>>Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 14:55:58 -0000
>>>Subject: Re: Inter-Dimensional Or Demonic

>>>>From: Gerald O'Connell <goc.nul>
>>>>To: <post.nul>
>>>>Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 20:57:31 -0000
>>>>Subject: Re: Inter-Dimensional Or Demonic

>>>>>From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
>>>>>To: <post.nul>
>>>>>Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 15:08:26 -0000
>>>>>Subject: Re: Inter-Dimensional Or Demonic

>>><snip>

>>>>>And, as noted by researchers, the flow of data along the optic
>>>>>nerve is two-way (as with hearing). Clearly the brain is
>>>>>constantly telling the eye _how_and_what_ to see.
>>>>Check the next sentence in that post. The possibility of your
>>>>'purely optical' interpretation was the reason for me next
>>>>providing the data backing - the new-born kitten experimants -
>>>>for 'brain control' of the eye.

>>The new-born kitten experiments show pathology induced in the
>>brain and do NOT show "brain control" of the eye. More below.

><snip>

>David:

>As usual you provide almost a complete article as an e-mail
>post. One wonders if you are a medical researcher, for example,
>a neuropathologist. But that can't be because it looks to me
>like Ray has kept up with advances in, for example, how the
>brain functions based on new research. The newer research has
>gone beyond just "seeing" the eye as a receptor.

>Sorry, in this case, I'm with Ray on this one.

Kathy,

I have a great deal of background in neurophysiology, vision,
and vision research. I've been out of a few years, so I can't
say I'm up on all the latest.

But to start with, you seem a might bit confused, as usual. It
was Ray,not me, who was saying the eye was just a passive
receptor of light, did no processing of vision, and contained no
nervous tissue. Further there were two-way connections from the
brain back to the retina by which the brain was supposedly
telling the eye what it could see or not see. Supposedly
research in kittens backed him up.

But, even though maybe I'm becoming a dinosaur, the last I
heard:

1. The retina is indeed embryologically derived from the brain,
has two very well defined and studied neural layers that indeed
do early processing of vision, one layer of which (ganglion
cells) creates the axons that form the nerve fibers making up
the optic nerve itself. (You can't have a nerve going from one
place to another without neurons to create that nerve.) By all
means, Kathy, list some of the latest "advances" that back up
Ray's version instead.

2. Nobody has yet found reciprocal nerve connections in humans
between retina and cortex, certainly no way for the brain to
bully the retina into seeing only what the brain wants it to see
if it isn't connected to it to begin with. Please correct me
with the latest "advances" if I am wrong about this.

3. The kitten research shows that visual deprivation in young
kittens (also baby monkeys) causes permanent damage to the
animals' vision, including greatly decreased visual acuity and
loss of binocular vision. This is also reflected histologically
in the layout and numbers of the neurons in the visual cortex
connected to a deprived and non-deprived eyes and
neurophysiologically in the properties of the neurons (e.g. loss
of binocularly driven cells, loss of cells responding to fine
detail, loss of ability to detect orientation of edges). Please
tell me which of the latest "advances" in this kitten research
instead demonstrates that these deprived kittens have brains
bossing their retinas around.

Awaiting your references. Thank you for your initial complement
on the educational content of my emails before your usual
nonsense began.


David Rudiak



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