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Re: Inter-Dimensional Or Demonic

From: David Rudiak <drudiak.nul>
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 22:13:05 -0800
Archived: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 05:24:52 -0500
Subject: Re: Inter-Dimensional Or Demonic


>From: Kathy Kasten <catraja.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 19:33:42 +0000
>Subject: Re: Inter-Dimensional Or Demonic

>>From: David Rudiak <drudiak.nul>
>>To: post.nul
>>Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 14:06:53 -0800
>>Subject: Re: Inter-Dimensional Or Demonic

>>>From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
>>>To: <post.nul>
>>>Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 14:55:58 -0000
>>>Subject: Re: Inter-Dimensional Or Demonic

>>>>From: Gerald O'Connell <goc.nul>
>>>>To: <post.nul>
>>>>Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 20:57:31 -0000
>>>>Subject: Re: Inter-Dimensional Or Demonic

>>>>>From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
>>>>>To: <post.nul>
>>>>>Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 15:08:26 -0000
>>>>>Subject: Re: Inter-Dimensional Or Demonic

>>>>>And, as noted by researchers, the flow of data along the optic
>>>>>nerve is two-way (as with hearing). Clearly the brain is
>>>>>constantly telling the eye _how_and_what_ to see.

>>>>Check the next sentence in that post. The possibility of your
>>>>'purely optical' interpretation was the reason for me next
>>>>providing the data backing - the new-born kitten experimants -
>>>>for 'brain control' of the eye.

>>The new-born kitten experiments show pathology induced in the
>>brain and do NOT show "brain control" of the eye. More below.
><snip>

>As usual you provide almost a complete article as an e-mail
>post. One wonders if you are a medical researcher, for example,
>a neuropathologist. But that can't be because it looks to me
>like Ray has kept up with advances in, for example, how the
>brain functions based on new research. The newer research has
>gone beyond just "seeing" the eye as a receptor.

>Sorry, in this case, I'm with Ray on this one.

I have a great deal of background in neurophysiology,
neuroanatomy, and vision research. I've been out of a few years,
so I can't say I'm up on all the latest.

But to start with, you seem a might bit confused, as usual. It
was Ray, not me, who was saying the eye was just a passive
receptor of light, contained no nervous tissue, and did no
processing of vision. Further there were two-way connections
between the eye and brain by which the brain was supposedly
telling the eye what it could see or not see. Supposedly
research in kittens backed him up.

But, even though maybe I'm becoming a dinosaur, the last I
heard:

1. The retina is indeed embryologically derived from the brain,
has two very well defined and studied neuronal layers which do
early processing of vision, one of which (ganglion cell layer)
creates the axons that form the nerve fibers making up the optic
nerve itself. By all means, Kathy, list some of the latest
"advances" that back up Ray's version instead.

2. Nobody has yet found reciprocal connections in humans between
retina and brain, certainly no way for the brain to bully the
retina into seeing only what the brain wants it to see if it
can't contact it. Please correct me with the latest "advances"
if I am wrong about this.

3. The kitten research shows that visual deprivation in young
kittens (also baby monkeys) causes permanent damage to the
animals' vision, including greatly decreased visual acuity in
the deprived eye and loss of binocular vision. This is also
reflected histologically in the layout and numbers of the
neurons in the visual cortex connected to a deprived and non-
deprived eyes and neurophysiologically in the properties of the
neurons (e.g. loss of binocularly driven cells, loss of cells
responding to fine detail, loss of ability to finely
discriminate edge orientation). Please tell me which of the
latest "advances" in this kitten research instead demonstrates
that these deprived kittens have brains bossing their retinas
around.

Awaiting your references telling us why you are with Ray on this
one. Thank you for your initial compliment on the educational
content of my emails before the nonsense began.


David Rudiak



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