From: Cathy Reason <Cathym.nul> Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 13:37:16 +0100 Archived: Thu, 10 May 2012 06:33:16 -0400 Subject: Re: Ufology And Psychiatry - Summary >From: Eugene Frison <cthulhu_calls.nul> >To: <post.nul> >Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 18:33:57 -0500 >Subject: Re: Ufology And Psychiatry - Summary <snip> >>That's interesting. So you are claiming: >>1) That pretty much all modern psychology depends on >>operationalized measures; >Yes. >>2) That if these supposedly operational measures are really just >>proxy measures, then this fatally undermines the empirical basis >>for psychology. (This is my proposition above, which you now say >>you are "not disagreeing with".) >Yes. >>3) That even if every measure in psychology is really just a >>proxy measure, it is still the case that psychology has a solid >>empirical basis. >No. Whatever came out of these proxy measurements is suspect and >dubious. Garbage. This leads to "garbage in, garbage out," as >you initially pointed out, if further extrapolation is done. >Psychology is then back to square one. The solid base that it >has is its use of controlled empirical experimentation and the >results that were obtained during this type of experimentation. >This is somewhere to start from. Except you have just admitted above that the empirical basis for psychology is fatally undermined. So now you are claiming that psychology "has a solid base of controlled empirical experimentation" despite its empirical basis being fatally undermined. That's a pretty impressive piece of doublethink. >But it needs a proper way of >analysing and measuring these results - using proxy notions of >things doesn't cut it. Eugene, you are a testament to the power of a social sciences education to befuddle the mind. This statement above is completely meaningless - results are the product of measurement, not the other way round. It's quite obvious you have no idea what operationalism really means - which is something you have in common with about 95% of social science graduates. Cathy Listen to 'Strange Days... Indeed' - The PodCast At: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/sdi/program/ These contents above are copyright of the author and UFO UpDates - Toronto. They may not be reproduced without the express permission of both parties and are intended for educational use only.
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