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Re: Ufology And Psychiatry - Summary

From: Cathy Reason <Cathym.nul>
Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 13:37:16 +0100
Archived: Thu, 10 May 2012 06:33:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Ufology And Psychiatry - Summary


>From: Eugene Frison <cthulhu_calls.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 18:33:57 -0500
>Subject: Re: Ufology And Psychiatry - Summary

<snip>

>>That's interesting. So you are claiming:

>>1) That pretty much all modern psychology depends on
>>operationalized measures;

>Yes.

>>2) That if these supposedly operational measures are really just
>>proxy measures, then this fatally undermines the empirical basis
>>for psychology. (This is my proposition above, which you now say
>>you are "not disagreeing with".)

>Yes.

>>3) That even if every measure in psychology is really just a
>>proxy measure, it is still the case that psychology has a solid
>>empirical basis.

>No. Whatever came out of these proxy measurements is suspect and
>dubious. Garbage. This leads to "garbage in, garbage out," as
>you initially pointed out, if further extrapolation is done.

>Psychology is then back to square one. The solid base that it
>has is its use of controlled empirical experimentation and the
>results that were obtained during this type of experimentation.
>This is somewhere to start from.

Except you have just admitted above that the empirical basis for
psychology is fatally undermined.

So now you are claiming that psychology "has a solid base of
controlled empirical experimentation" despite its empirical
basis being fatally undermined. That's a pretty impressive
piece of doublethink.

>But it needs a proper way of
>analysing and measuring these results - using proxy notions of
>things doesn't cut it.

Eugene, you are a testament to the power of a social sciences
education to befuddle the mind. This statement above is
completely meaningless - results are the product of measurement,
not the other way round. It's quite obvious you have no idea
what operationalism really means - which is something you have
in common with about 95% of social science graduates.


Cathy




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