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Re: Flying Saucers - The Greatest Lie Ever Told

From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 09:56:38 -0500
Archived: Sat, 12 May 2012 11:45:32 -0400
Subject: Re: Flying Saucers - The Greatest Lie Ever Told

>From: James Carrion <jcarrion.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 10:26:04 -0300
>Subject: Re: Flying Saucers - The Greatest Lie Ever Told

>>From: Gildas Bourdais <bourdais.gildas.nul>
>>To: <post.nul>
>>Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 16:14:06 +0200
>>Subject: Re: Flying Saucers - The Greatest Lie Ever Told

>>From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <post.nul>
>>To: - UFO UpDates Subscribers -
>>Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 05:42:14 -0400
>>Subject: UFO UpDate: Flying Saucers - The Greatest Lie Ever Told

>>Source: James Carrion's Follow The Magic Thread


>>Tuesday, May 8, 2012

>>Flying Saucers - The Greatest Lie Ever Told
>>Update from the Center for UFO Truth (CUT)


>>To the List

>>James Carrion has now joined openly the debunker's club of the
>>Mirage Men.

>>You know, all these brillant authors, going back to Donald
>>Menzel and Philip Klass, joined more recently by people like
>>Nick Redfern, of Body Snatchers fame, and of course Mark
>>Pilkington and John Lundberg, with their splendid panorama of
>>the Mirage Men. Now, with such luminous authors, perhaps the
>>time has come to close the Ufo shop, and go fishing.

>>However, James Carrion does not seem to know that Roswell was
>>not a trick of the Pentagon, but a joke of Stalin, helped by Dr

>>BTW, I was sad to learn the end of IUR, which maintained during
>>so many years a high standard of serious ufology. But I have
>>been also a bit disappointed with the last article of Eddie
>>Bullard, who did such an important work on abductions but has
>>praised James Carrion at the wrong time, it seems to me, in his
>>article Defending UFOs. And who is wrong as well, supposing that
>>people just saw airplanes in Phoenix.

>>As Kent Jeffrey once said, before retiring, Ufology is still an
>>uphill fight!

>I prefer the title of "Sceptic" as both believers and debunkers
>already have their minds made up. I would also point out that by
>summarily dismissing my research by labeling me a debunker is
>itself a debunking tactic.

No, James, you are not a "sceptic". You're a conspiracy
theorist, and that's why views like yours - which if true would
be of enormous interest to (and much studied by) scholars of the
Cold War, intelligence, national security, international
affairs, and more - are not to be found in any mainstream
history of the post-World War II era. UFOs themselves may be, as
Billy Cox likes to say, the Great Taboo, but research into
secret CIA projects is a perfectly respectable academic
exercise, a whole branch of historical scholarship in itself.

You've basically placed yourself in the company of the pseudo-
scholars who, as the Roswell controversy has ground on all these
years, have fashioned an absurdly ahistorical UFO-centric view
of official policy since July 1947.

Your ideas don't offend me as a ufologist - there are, after
all, too many silly ideas about UFOs to count or care about -
but as one who has long harbored a fascination with political
history, especially after World War II, and read many hundreds
of books on the subject. Your enemy is not mainstream ufology,
it's modern American history as conventionally understood.

Jerry Clark

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