From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul> Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 12:35:53 -0300 Archived: Mon, 14 May 2012 11:52:25 -0400 Subject: Re: Flying Saucers - The Greatest Lie Ever Told >From: Kathy Kasten <catraja.nul> >To: <post.nul> >Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 20:13:21 +0000 >Subject: Re: Flying Saucers - The Greatest Lie Ever Told >>From: Dave Morton <Marspyrs.nul> >>To: post.nul >>Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 07:10:01 -0400 (EDT) >>Subject: Re: Flying Saucers - The Greatest Lie Ever Told >>>Source: James Carrion's Follow The Magic Thread >>>http://tinyurl.com/bqg5x66 >>>Tuesday, May 8, 2012 >>>Flying Saucers - The Greatest Lie Ever Told ><snip> >>"This is Condor. No, wait. That was my old code name. This is >>'Useful Idiot'. How do you spell FOIA?" >>"Just walk away from the phone, Condor. Don't hang it up. >>And don't go home. We'll bring you in." >>Yet he calls himself a "Truth Seeker" at The Magic Thread. An >>odd moniker in his case - the "Truth Seeker" - who apparently >>believes in magic. A True Believer in magic - the magic of >>Official But Utterly Ridiculous Explanations (OBURE's). Maybe if >>he follows the Yellow Brick Road far enough in his quest for the >>truth, he'll reach Emerald City, and the Wizard will take him >>back to Kansas. I hope so. >>Carry on, oh Truth Seeker. We'll get you some help as soon as we >>can. >>(And by the way, Mr. Truth Seeker, it was mainly the Poles and >>the Brits who cracked the German Enigma code during WW2. Tell >>the truth.) >How about this Dave, everything you stated is not evidence of >anything except rumors, second hand death bed confessions, >imagined figures at a distance and, maybe, something seen in a >hanger somewhere. No evidence; no photos; just possibly faulty >memories - a need for a group of people to link themselves with >a group of believers. >Snarky comments are not a refutation of Carrion's article. >Repeating what you heard from other people, possibly, in the >halls at UFO conferences? Doesn't work for me. >BTW, the Poles were working with the very secret group of code >breakers at Benchley. I know I took the tour of the facility >while in Britain. >The most famous code breaker was a Brit named >Alan Turing. Also, I have read a couple of books on the Enigma - >that would be the code I believe you are trying to make >reference to. KK, A Polish resistance group being directed by the British SOE (Special Operations Executive) was responsible for capturing an Enigma machine-in Poland. The British name for the code was not Enigma but Ultra. Enigma was the code-breaking machine they used. The Park was Bletchley Park, not Benchley Park. Again Ultra was their name for the code breaking operation. The actual code was then changed by the Germans leaving British code-breakers high and dry. British Captain John Walker boarded German U-boat U-570 in 1941 the war-retrieved a new set of logs and code books which were then used to re-break the German codes - the operation and new code- breaking initiative was then named Ultra-II. Capt. Walker re-boarded the sub which was sinking (the German submariners had opened her sea-cocks to scuttle her before surrendering) to grab more material but he was lost when the sub sank. Walker's reward for this selfless act was to have a silly movie made in the early 2000s called U-571 claiming that a group of American sailors accomplished this feat from another US sub when in fact the US was neutral in 1941 and had no connection whatsoever to the operation. To cover this up the producers renamed the German sub U-571 which was nowhere near the Atlantic at the time and was sunk by the RN at the end of the war off France somewhere. So I can see why you would be confused getting this type of information from silly movies such as U-571 and The Good Shepherd. As for James Carrion. He disappointed me. I had told him at San Jose in 2008 that I was glad to see MUFON was cleaning house and might get back to some serious work. When he resigned a few years back he cited some ten cases that he thought were important cases that could probably easily be solved. The cases were what most good researchers would have discarded out of hand as garbage and of minor concern. I found this really puzzling since most of the cases were crap and not really worthy of scrutiny yet Carrion was making out as if researchers were clinging desperately to them. Did he have a motive? Who knows? Don Ledger Listen to 'Strange Days... Indeed' - The PodCast At: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/sdi/program/ These contents above are copyright of the author and UFO UpDates - Toronto. They may not be reproduced without the express permission of both parties and are intended for educational use only.
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