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Re: Flying Saucers - The Greatest Lie Ever Told

From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 12:35:53 -0300
Archived: Mon, 14 May 2012 11:52:25 -0400
Subject: Re: Flying Saucers - The Greatest Lie Ever Told

>From: Kathy Kasten <catraja.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 20:13:21 +0000
>Subject: Re: Flying Saucers - The Greatest Lie Ever Told

>>From: Dave Morton <Marspyrs.nul>
>>To: post.nul
>>Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 07:10:01 -0400 (EDT)
>>Subject: Re: Flying Saucers - The Greatest Lie Ever Told

>>>Source: James Carrion's Follow The Magic Thread


>>>Tuesday, May 8, 2012

>>>Flying Saucers - The Greatest Lie Ever Told


>>"This is Condor. No, wait. That was my old code name. This is
>>'Useful Idiot'. How do you spell FOIA?"

>>"Just walk away from the phone, Condor. Don't hang it up.

>>And don't go home. We'll bring you in."

>>Yet he calls himself a "Truth Seeker" at The Magic Thread. An
>>odd moniker in his case - the "Truth Seeker" - who apparently
>>believes in magic. A True Believer in magic - the magic of
>>Official But Utterly Ridiculous Explanations (OBURE's). Maybe if
>>he follows the Yellow Brick Road far enough in his quest for the
>>truth, he'll reach Emerald City, and the Wizard will take him
>>back to Kansas. I hope so.

>>Carry on, oh Truth Seeker. We'll get you some help as soon as we

>>(And by the way, Mr. Truth Seeker, it was mainly the Poles and
>>the Brits who cracked the German Enigma code during WW2. Tell
>>the truth.)

>How about this Dave, everything you stated is not evidence of
>anything except rumors, second hand death bed confessions,
>imagined figures at a distance and, maybe, something seen in a
>hanger somewhere. No evidence; no photos; just possibly faulty
>memories - a need for a group of people to link themselves with
>a group of believers.

>Snarky comments are not a refutation of Carrion's article.
>Repeating what you heard from other people, possibly, in the
>halls at UFO conferences? Doesn't work for me.

>BTW, the Poles were working with the very secret group of code
>breakers at Benchley. I know I took the tour of the facility
>while in Britain.

>The most famous code breaker was a Brit named
>Alan Turing. Also, I have read a couple of books on the Enigma -
>that would be the code I believe you are trying to make
>reference to.


A Polish resistance group being directed by the British SOE (Special
Operations Executive) was responsible for capturing an Enigma
machine-in Poland.

The British name for the code was not Enigma but Ultra.

Enigma was the code-breaking machine they used.

The Park was Bletchley Park, not Benchley Park.

Again Ultra was their name for the code breaking operation. The
actual code was then changed by the Germans leaving British
code-breakers high and dry.

British Captain John Walker boarded German U-boat U-570 in 1941
the war-retrieved a new set of logs and code books which were
then used to re-break the German codes - the operation and new
code- breaking initiative was then named Ultra-II. Capt. Walker
re-boarded the sub which was sinking (the German submariners had
opened her sea-cocks to scuttle her before surrendering) to grab
more material but he was lost when the sub sank.

Walker's reward for this selfless act was to have a silly
movie made in the early 2000s called U-571 claiming that a group
of American sailors accomplished this feat from another US sub
when in fact the US was neutral in 1941 and had no connection
whatsoever to the operation. To cover this up the producers
renamed the German sub U-571 which was nowhere near the Atlantic
at the time and was sunk by the RN at the end of the war off
France somewhere.

So I can see why you would be confused getting this type of
information from silly movies such as U-571 and The Good

As for James Carrion. He disappointed me. I had told him at San
Jose in 2008 that I was glad to see MUFON was cleaning house and
might get back to some serious work.

When he resigned a few years back he cited some ten cases that
he thought were important cases that could probably easily be
solved. The cases were what most good researchers would have
discarded out of hand  as garbage and of minor concern.

I found this really puzzling since most of the cases were crap
and not really worthy of scrutiny yet Carrion was making out as
if researchers were clinging desperately to them.

Did he have a motive? Who knows?

Don Ledger

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