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Re: Problems With von Neumann Replicators

From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 17:17:15 +0100
Archived: Sun, 20 May 2012 17:39:02 -0400
Subject: Re: Problems With von Neumann Replicators

>From: Kentaro Mori <kentaro.mori.nul>
>Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 14:56:21 -0300
>To: post.nul
>Subject: Re: Problems With von Neumann Replicators

>>From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <post.nul>
>>Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 14:29:57 +0100
>>Subject: Problems With von Neumann Replicators

>>So, if we're not the first intelligence to evolve, why haven't
>>we already been wiped out by murderous advanced machines from
>>space? That's a question I woke up with - but then re-thought
>>some of Reynolds' more complex human-machine scenarios.

>That's Fermi's Paradox. It was formulated almost as soon as
>advances in cosmology established the Universe is billions of
>years old, and that there are billions and billions of galaxies
>as large or even larger than ours.


Hi Kentaro,

Right, but Fermi was a child of his time (as we all are) and
simply thought that any ETs - who are statistically likely to've
evolved millions or billions of years ahead of us - would still
be organic beings and recognizable as such.

Many folk, notably the profs Stewart and Cohen. have pointed out
that truly advanced beings are probably not still organic
(because they don't have to be) and, due to their technology
also don't even have to be visible unless they want to be. So
the `paradox' probably doesn't exist.


>We don't have any material resources which cannot be found
>elsewhere in higher quantities and greater convenience for any
>civilization capable of crossing light-years of distance to get
>here. And even if we are a resource for our intelligence or
>biological uniqueness, the fact we cannot see any obvious signs
>of intelligente life in the Universe elsewhere -- besides the
'controversial' UFO evidence -- must mean they are either
deliberately hiding or that they don't exist.

Nope, think ypu've jumped the gun there. While I fully agree
that minerals and even fuels seem to be readily (and more
easily) available in molecular clouds, thereby obviating all
those Sci-Fi themes of planetary invasion and conquest, the
machine-based outriders of ET expansion (or research) might well
be using bio-engineered `animals' as tools in their projects.
I'm not alone in remarking that there's some evidence of such
`animals' being abandoned here on Earth, either after sustaining
damage or merely having outlived their `job'.

And as to `signs of intelligent life in the Universe' - we just
don't know what to look for, or how to analyse what we already
see. At the moment we simply assume that all astronomical events
are `natural' - that assumption could be wildy wrong.

>It's interesting that such kind of questions remain open and yet
>are not that widely recognized -- for instance, cosmology gives
>us yet another puzzle, the faint young Sun paradox:


Ha! That seems to say we either don't know the full story about
stellar evolution (which is being indicated even now) - or maybe
that the Gaia principle was able to grab hold of Earth's
feedback mechanisms even earlier than we thought.


Ray D

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